The NDAA's Indefinite Detention Clause Isn't Dead Yet

The NDAA's Indefinite Detention Clause Isn't Dead Yet

Postby cat » Sun Sep 23, 2012 12:25 pm

Few months ago, Federal Judge Katherine B. Forrest ruled to block NDAA’s controversial provision that permits indefinite detention cannot be used on any of America's own citizens.http://rt.com/usa/news/ndaa-judge-obama-forrest-295/ Many people thought it was the end of it. However, on last monday, there were new development, the Obama administration attempted to reinstate the law.


"On Monday night, a lone appeals court judge reinstated the federal government's controversial indefinite detention law while the court weighs the government's appeal.

Judge Raymond Lohier of the Second Circuit Court of Appeals wrote a one-page order that stayed a judge's decision to block the National Defense Authorization Act without offering any explanation for the temporary stay.

Politico first reported Judge Lohier's order.

The Obama administration called Judge Katherine Forrest's ruling blocking the law "unprecedented" and an encroachment on the powers of the executive branch.

Judge Forrest had deemed the law too vague and said it would chill free speech after a number of parties, including journalists, fought the law in court."


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Re: The NDAA's Indefinite Detention Clause Isn't Dead Yet

Postby Boris Johnson » Sun Sep 23, 2012 12:44 pm

If the appeal fails will you admit the Illuminati are not all powerful?
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Re: The NDAA's Indefinite Detention Clause Isn't Dead Yet

Postby cat » Sun Sep 23, 2012 1:04 pm

Boris Johnson wrote:If the appeal fails will you admit the Illuminati are not all powerful?


Yes, I will. But that doesn't mean their conspiracies and plans aren't real.

The other reason I think the illuminati are not that powerful now is because the Eastern secret societies are fighting back. And the people are more aware what happen, people are fighting back too.
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Re: The NDAA's Indefinite Detention Clause Isn't Dead Yet

Postby Boris Johnson » Sun Sep 23, 2012 1:10 pm

Who's the leader of the Illuminati?
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Re: The NDAA's Indefinite Detention Clause Isn't Dead Yet

Postby cat » Sun Sep 23, 2012 1:29 pm

Boris Johnson wrote:Who's the leader of the Illuminati?


The seat or council of seven. Somthing like that. Some people say they may not even be human, probably aliens or hybrids.
Whether it's true or not, nontheless, they are all malevolence to the majority of human.

Now, back to the subject.

What do you think about this law? about this new development? How about the Obama administration?
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Re: The NDAA's Indefinite Detention Clause Isn't Dead Yet

Postby Boris Johnson » Sun Sep 23, 2012 2:09 pm

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Boris Johnson wrote:Who's the leader of the Illuminati?


The seat or council of seven. Somthing like that. Some people say they may not even be human, probably aliens or hybrids.
Whether it's true or not, nontheless, they are all malevolence to the majority of human.

So the agent essentially the heart of the explanation as to socio-econoimics and geopolitics might as well be a cloth on a broom as far as your concerned. But damn it its happening, and its nasty and its real. Hardly concincing, which given your general agripop style I'm guessing is your intention.

Also tell me about this 'eastern Illuminati' are they like the triad x the freemasons - John candy. Or what?

Now, back to the subject.

What do you think about this law? about this new development? How about the Obama administration?

I imagine Barry's national security adviser bitched at him till he told the white house counsel to appeal the decision. Why? Spooks always argue that there only being allowed the kid gloves. again why, there job is to hunt down all the nasty people which is hard when you have to give a shit about civil rights, when they don't get it right every time they get crucified and its really hard to find employment in the private sector after decades of being a g-man. Politics is a race to the bottom even without giant conspiracies, or didn't you know?

So yeah, completely rational explanation easily possible without any giant lizards.

Proof of a giant group of space jews trying to exterminate 6.5 billion people, hardly.
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Re: The NDAA's Indefinite Detention Clause Isn't Dead Yet

Postby Sandman » Sun Sep 23, 2012 3:49 pm

cat wrote:The other reason I think the illuminati are not that powerful now is because the Eastern secret societies are fighting back. And the people are more aware what happen, people are fighting back too.



Ooooh exciting! :popcorn:
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Re: The NDAA's Indefinite Detention Clause Isn't Dead Yet

Postby exploited » Sun Sep 23, 2012 4:16 pm

Any person with a shred of intregrity recognizes that this law is nothing more than a way to continue the trend of usurping power from the people and concentrating it in the federal government. It really isn't a good law to debate, because I've never seen anyone defend it. That is my two cents on your topic.

What really pisses me off about people who support this Illumnati bull**** is that you are basically helping the actual conspiracists out there. UFOs, secret societies, millenium-long conspiracies, shadowy, always-unnamed figures controlling governments, dictating every minute detail of our lives - not even a bit of it is true. There are conspiracies, there are people who use money and wealth to influence politics, but you know what? They don't meet up and plan the next thousand years out. They don't charter secret organizations and hold Evil Conspiracy Meet'N'Greets. That is not the nature of true conspiracies. True conspiracies aren't neat and organized, they aren't planned from above; they are nothing more than the sum of many peoples actions, and those actions are determined by motivations that almost always vary.

Imagine two people, on the opposite sides of the world from one another. They are both fascinated by stars and planets, so they spend all night watching those things, studying their movements, and recording their observations. After doing this for fifty years, they come up with a remarkably similar set of conclusions: the Sun rises in the East, and sets in the West. Polar orbits. How objects tend to move in eclipses, not circles. As a result of their observations, they would very likely take similar actions: they would both encourage people to create better telescopes, for instance. Or they would realize that if they could just get something up into orbit, it would stay there, forever.

Your average, completely wrong-headed conspiracy theorists would deduce that they were in bed together, that they had planned this out with the help of alien hybrids from Planet Xulu, and that they were, in fact, controlling the skies. But that isn't the case. Without every actually communicating, these two people would be helping one another, propping the other up, and for no other reason than that they shared interests.

You don't talk about how a teachers union is a "conspiracy to help all teachers make more money." You don't talk about how a political party is "a conspiracy to get your group of friends into power." The reason why is because there is obviously a difference between pursuing common interests and "conspiring." And you, it seems, can no longer tell that difference.

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Re: The NDAA's Indefinite Detention Clause Isn't Dead Yet

Postby Sandman » Sun Sep 23, 2012 5:49 pm

Conspiracy theorists are, IMO, people who have glimpsed the uncontrolled chaos that is life in the universe, and it scared the living shit out of them. So they imagine an all-powerful group of people controlling every single event that happens on earth, from economic downturns to wars to tsunamis to terrorist attacks, because at the end of the day a malevolent God is more comforting to them than the prospect of no God at all. Plus, it gives them some identity, some meaning in life, to be pretending to fight this global battle of good VS evil with them as the central Paul Revere character. They are special, they are the "awakened ones" and the rest of humanity are just "sheep".

But I repeat, if they really bought into any of their own horseshit, they wouldn't be on a computer trying to convince weirdos on a message board, forwarding youtube videos in between smoke breaks at their fast food jobs. They'd be flying planes into IRS buildings or something.

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Re: The NDAA's Indefinite Detention Clause Isn't Dead Yet

Postby kapitokrug » Sun Sep 23, 2012 6:06 pm

exploited wrote:Any person with a shred of intregrity recognizes that this law is nothing more than a way to continue the trend of usurping power from the people and concentrating it in the federal government. It really isn't a good law to debate, because I've never seen anyone defend it. That is my two cents on your topic.

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Imagine two people, on the opposite sides of the world from one another. They are both fascinated by stars and planets, so they spend all night watching those things, studying their movements, and recording their observations. After doing this for fifty years, they come up with a remarkably similar set of conclusions: the Sun rises in the East, and sets in the West. Polar orbits. How objects tend to move in eclipses, not circles. As a result of their observations, they would very likely take similar actions: they would both encourage people to create better telescopes, for instance. Or they would realize that if they could just get something up into orbit, it would stay there, forever.

Your average, completely wrong-headed conspiracy theorists would deduce that they were in bed together, that they had planned this out with the help of alien hybrids from Planet Xulu, and that they were, in fact, controlling the skies. But that isn't the case. Without every actually communicating, these two people would be helping one another, propping the other up, and for no other reason than that they shared interests.

You don't talk about how a teachers union is a "conspiracy to help all teachers make more money." You don't talk about how a political party is "a conspiracy to get your group of friends into power." The reason why is because there is obviously a difference between pursuing common interests and "conspiring." And you, it seems, can no longer tell that difference.


I don't get what this is trying to say. There never was a difference between common interests and conspiring, and there's nothing intrinsically wrong with conspiracy. The problem is when either common interests or conspiracy are manipulative. Whether people actively communicate or not to manipulate others is irrelevant.

The thread's author makes sense. You're talking about government being able to detain citizens without presenting evidence of wrongdoing just because its powerful.

For all the bashing on conspiracy, it sure is strange to criticize suspicion of the government operating outside of objectivity.

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