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Re: FEMA camps, coffins and train

Postby cat » Thu Sep 20, 2012 3:29 pm

Boris Johnson wrote:Ok... lets start with this then.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzbiGDWK ... re=related

How do I verify anything this man says?

Furthermore, given popular mechanics is a fairly reputable journal of publication, why should I not believe them, but instead believe your sources?


Okay. I can't prove that guy is credible.

How about this:
New Legislation Authorizes FEMA Camps In U.S.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/new-legisla ... in-us.html

"A new bill introduced in Congress authorizes the Department of Homeland Security to set up a network of FEMA camp facilities to be used to house U.S. citizens in the event of a national emergency.

The National Emergency Centers Act or HR 645 mandates the establishment of “national emergency centers” to be located on military installations for the purpose of to providing “temporary housing, medical, and humanitarian assistance to individuals and families dislocated due to an emergency or major disaster,” according to the bill.

The legislation also states that the camps will be used to “provide centralized locations to improve the coordination of preparedness, response, and recovery efforts of government, private, and not-for-profit entities and faith-based organizations”.

Ominously, the bill also states that the camps can be used to “meet other appropriate needs, as determined by the Secretary of Homeland Security,” an open ended mandate which many fear could mean the forced detention of American citizens in the event of widespread rioting after a national emergency or total economic collapse.

Many credible forecasters have predicted riots and rebellions in America that will dwarf those already witnessed in countries like Iceland and Greece.

With active duty military personnel already being stationed inside the U.S. under Northcom, partly for purposes of “crowd control,” fears that Americans could be incarcerated in detainment camps are all too real.

The bill mandates that six separate facilities be established in different Federal Emergency Management Agency Regions (FEMA) throughout the country.

The camps will double up as “command and control” centers that will also house a “24/7 operations watch center” as well as training facilities for Federal, State, and local first responders.

The bill also contains language that will authorize camps to be established within closed or already operating military bases around the country.

As we have previously highlighted, in early 2006 Halliburton subsidiary Kellogg, Brown and Root was awarded a $385 million dollar contract by Homeland Security to construct detention and processing facilities in the event of a national emergency.

The language of the preamble to the agreement veils the program with talk of temporary migrant holding centers, but it is made clear that the camps would also be used “as the development of a plan to react to a national emergency.”

As far back as 2002, FEMA sought bids from major real estate and engineering firms to construct giant internment facilities in the case of a chemical, biological or nuclear attack or a natural disaster.

A much discussed and circulated report, the Pentagon’s Civilian Inmate Labor Program, was more recently updated and the revision details a “template for developing agreements” between the Army and corrections facilities for the use of civilian inmate labor on Army installations.”

Alex Jones has attended numerous military urban warfare training drills across the US where role players were used to simulate arresting American citizens and taking them to internment camps.

Read the new legislation in full below.

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National Emergency Centers Establishment Act (Introduced in House)

HR 645 IH

111th CONGRESS

1st Session

H. R. 645
To direct the Secretary of Homeland Security to establish national emergency centers on military installations.

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

January 22, 2009
Mr. HASTINGS of Florida introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure, and in addition to the Committee on Armed Services, for a period to be subsequently determined by the Speaker, in each case for consideration of such provisions as fall within the jurisdiction of the committee concerned

——————————————————————————–

A BILL
To direct the Secretary of Homeland Security to establish national emergency centers on military installations.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the `National Emergency Centers Establishment Act’.

SEC. 2. ESTABLISHMENT OF NATIONAL EMERGENCY CENTERS.

(a) In General- In accordance with the requirements of this Act, the Secretary of Homeland Security shall establish not fewer than 6 national emergency centers on military installations.

(b) Purpose of National Emergency Centers- The purpose of a national emergency center shall be to use existing infrastructure–

(1) to provide temporary housing, medical, and humanitarian assistance to individuals and families dislocated due to an emergency or major disaster;

(2) to provide centralized locations for the purposes of training and ensuring the coordination of Federal, State, and local first responders;

(3) to provide centralized locations to improve the coordination of preparedness, response, and recovery efforts of government, private, and not-for-profit entities and faith-based organizations; and

(4) to meet other appropriate needs, as determined by the Secretary of Homeland Security.

SEC. 3. DESIGNATION OF MILITARY INSTALLATIONS AS NATIONAL EMERGENCY CENTERS.

(a) In General- Not later than 60 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Secretary of Homeland Security, in consultation with the Secretary of Defense, shall designate not fewer than 6 military installations as sites for the establishment of national emergency centers.

(b) Minimum Requirements- A site designated as a national emergency center shall be–

(1) capable of meeting for an extended period of time the housing, health, transportation, education, public works, humanitarian and other transition needs of a large number of individuals affected by an emergency or major disaster;

(2) environmentally safe and shall not pose a health risk to individuals who may use the center;

(3) capable of being scaled up or down to accommodate major disaster preparedness and response drills, operations, and procedures;

(4) capable of housing existing permanent structures necessary to meet training and first responders coordination requirements during nondisaster periods;

(5) capable of hosting the infrastructure necessary to rapidly adjust to temporary housing, medical, and humanitarian assistance needs;

(6) required to consist of a complete operations command center, including 2 state-of-the art command and control centers that will comprise a 24/7 operations watch center as follows:

(A) one of the command and control centers shall be in full ready mode; and

(B) the other shall be used daily for training; and

(7) easily accessible at all times and be able to facilitate handicapped and medical facilities, including during an emergency or major disaster.

(c) Location of National Emergency Centers- There shall be established not fewer than one national emergency center in each of the following areas:

(1) The area consisting of Federal Emergency Management Agency Regions I, II, and III.

(2) The area consisting of Federal Emergency Management Agency Region IV.

(3) The area consisting of Federal Emergency Management Agency Regions V and VII.

(4) The area consisting of Federal Emergency Management Agency Region VI.

(5) The area consisting of Federal Emergency Management Agency Regions VIII and X.

(6) The area consisting of Federal Emergency Management Agency Region IX.

(d) Preference for Designation of Closed Military Installations- Wherever possible, the Secretary of Homeland Security, in consultation with the Secretary of Defense, shall designate a closed military installation as a site for a national emergency center. If the Secretaries of Homeland Security and Defense jointly determine that there is not a sufficient number of closed military installations that meet the requirements of subsections (b) and (c), the Secretaries shall jointly designate portions of existing military installations other than closed military installations as national emergency centers.

(e) Transfer of Control of Closed Military Installations- If a closed military installation is designated as a national emergency center, not later than 180 days after the date of designation, the Secretary of Defense shall transfer to the Secretary of Homeland Security administrative jurisdiction over such closed military installation.

(f) Cooperative Agreement for Joint Use of Existing Military Installations- If an existing military installation other than a closed military installation is designated as a national emergency center, not later than 180 days after the date of designation, the Secretary of Homeland Security and the Secretary of Defense shall enter into a cooperative agreement to provide for the establishment of the national emergency center.

(g) Reports-

(1) PRELIMINARY REPORT- Not later than 90 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Secretary of Homeland Security, acting jointly with the Secretary of Defense, shall submit to Congress a report that contains for each designated site–

(A) an outline of the reasons why the site was selected;

(B) an outline of the need to construct, repair, or update any existing infrastructure at the site;

(C) an outline of the need to conduct any necessary environmental clean-up at the site;

(D) an outline of preliminary plans for the transfer of control of the site from the Secretary of Defense to the Secretary of Homeland Security, if necessary under subsection (e); and

(E) an outline of preliminary plans for entering into a cooperative agreement for the establishment of a national emergency center at the site, if necessary under subsection (f).

(2) UPDATE REPORT- Not later than 120 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Secretary of Homeland Security, acting jointly with the Secretary of Defense, shall submit to Congress a report that contains for each designated site–

(A) an update on the information contained in the report as required by paragraph (1);

(B) an outline of the progress made toward the transfer of control of the site, if necessary under subsection (e);

(C) an outline of the progress made toward entering a cooperative agreement for the establishment of a national emergency center at the site, if necessary under subsection (f); and

(D) recommendations regarding any authorizations and appropriations that may be necessary to provide for the establishment of a national emergency center at the site.

(3) FINAL REPORT- Not later than 1 year after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Secretary of Homeland Security, acting jointly with the Secretary of Defense, shall submit to Congress a report that contains for each designated site–

(A) finalized information detailing the transfer of control of the site, if necessary under subsection (e);

(B) the finalized cooperative agreement for the establishment of a national emergency center at the site, if necessary under subsection (f); and

(C) any additional information pertinent to the establishment of a national emergency center at the site.

(4) ADDITIONAL REPORTS- The Secretary of Homeland Security, acting jointly with the Secretary of Defense, may submit to Congress additional reports as necessary to provide updates on steps being taken to meet the requirements of this Act.

SEC. 4. LIMITATIONS ON STATUTORY CONSTRUCTION.

This Act does not affect–

(1) the authority of the Federal Government to provide emergency or major disaster assistance or to implement any disaster mitigation and response program, including any program authorized by the Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act (42 U.S.C. 5121 et seq.); or

(2) the authority of a State or local government to respond to an emergency.

SEC. 5. AUTHORIZATION OF APPROPRIATIONS.

There is authorized to be appropriated $180,000,000 for each of fiscal years 2009 and 2010 to carry out this Act. Such funds shall remain available until expended.

SEC. 6. DEFINITIONS.

In this Act, the following definitions apply:

(1) CLOSED MILITARY INSTALLATION- The term `closed military installation’ means a military installation, or portion thereof, approved for closure or realignment under the Defense Base Closure and Realignment Act of 1990 (part A of title XXIX of Public Law 101-510; 10 U.S.C. 2687 note) that meet all, or 2 out of the 3 following requirements:

(A) Is located in close proximity to a transportation corridor.

(B) Is located in a State with a high level or threat of disaster related activities.

(C) Is located near a major metropolitan center.

(2) EMERGENCY- The term `emergency’ has the meaning given such term in section 102 of the Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act (42 U.S.C. 5122).

(3) MAJOR DISASTER- The term `major disaster’ has the meaning given such term in section 102 of the Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act (42 U.S.C. 5122).

(4) MILITARY INSTALLATION- The term `military installation’ has the meaning given such term in section 2910 of the Defense Base Closure and Realignment Act of 1990 (part A of title XXIX of Public Law 101-510; 10 U.S.C. 2687 note)."
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Re: FEMA camps, coffins and train

Postby cat » Thu Sep 20, 2012 3:55 pm

Boris Johnson wrote:
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NAB wrote:http://www.popularmechanics.com/technol ... ws/4312850


Well that wraps that up then.

No way! You rather believe his source that Ron Paul's words?

Fine, all of you, keep hiding your heads in the sand

Being a former libertarian, I'm well aware Ron Paul has a flair for the dramatic.

Simply saying im 'hiding my head in the sand' is quite frankly not much of an argument.


Ron Paul said that's their goal, setting a stage for violence in this country, NO DOUBT ABOUT IT.

What would he say such thing? Seems to me he knows something big is coming. And the one thing I know that will ignite a nationwide unrest will be the economic crash.

To be honest, how long do you think the American economy and the dollar will hold? We all know the crashing is coming. It shouldn't be a surprise to us that the government is preparing for this, like set up FEMA camps all over the country. It makes sense.
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Re: FEMA camps, coffins and train

Postby cat » Thu Sep 20, 2012 4:01 pm

Boris Johnson wrote:I've had a quick look at a few of the videos now,
this is just google maps footage with text, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xu917_hhZc so hardly... well confirmation of much.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsQAYxq0 ... re=related again, what does this prove? Anyone can stick a bunch of labels on google maps footage.

The last appears to simply be a badly edited mash up of an obama speech which is basically critising his policy on detention of terror suspects for being pretty much the same thing as before. A valid criticism really, but hardly much evidence of some massive conspiracy to launch some sort of genocide.

Also, being of the philosophical bent. The question seems to be demanded, 'why?'


Why massive genocide?

Because the elites think most of us are useless eaters, eating "their" unrenewable resources.

Check out the Georgia Guidestones.
The first statement is :1.Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones

Check out depopulation plan.

Then you will understand that there are people who simply don't think the same as most of us. And unfortunately, many of them are in important positions and they are very wealthy.
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Re: FEMA camps, coffins and train

Postby Boris Johnson » Thu Sep 20, 2012 4:27 pm

Ok, some points

1) Given what happened in southern Louisiana with Katrina (a disaster management f**k of epic proportions), some sort of national emergency infrastructure seems like a good idea. Thing is by bringing in people like alec jones you suddenly jump form something that frankly is fairly neutral to even potentially beneficial in its intent to it instantly being sinister, and invidence in and of itself of a sinister conspiracy.
2) Again Ron Paul has a flair for the dramatic, that he's somehow privy to some massive conspiracy in virtue of being a congressman is prehaps plausible. But if this conspiracy is so omnipresent and powerful and most important sinister, then why does he get to go around shouting about it, or even hinting at it?
3) Whilst im familiar with the works of Malthus and agree with their general import, I could disagree that most of the powerful people and organisations appears to be particularly concerned with it, certainly there is much written on the notion of unlimited progress being the primary assumption behind economic policy. Population control is certaintly not a sinister policy, 7 billion certaintly is not sustainable. But I suppose that's neither here nor there, my point is merely that if the CCP can't do it, why could some shadowy cabal.
4) These elites you speak of clearly owing their wealth to large organised civil society, why would they then seek to destroy that by reducing the world population to levels of what 400ad? Less manpower, hell of a lot less wealth creation.
5) Not sure what im meant to infer from this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones
6) Sorry but Alec Jones has made quite a tidy living out of cherry picking evidence to build grand narratives of evil conspiracies, I don't consider him credible.
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Re: FEMA camps, coffins and train

Postby NAB » Thu Sep 20, 2012 4:36 pm

I recall seeing a thorough debunking of this FEMA camp nonsense years ago, which included, iirc, people going to the effort of contacting business in the vicinity of said "camps" to confirm. It's a bunch of bullshit.

I posted the Popular Mechanics article because it was quick and concise, but if someone were really interested in this topic (meow) they should take some effort trying to debunk their own info to see if it can stand up to the smell test. If you do this in a honest manner, it's going to stink to high heaven. It is known.

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Re: FEMA camps, coffins and train

Postby The Dharma Bum » Thu Sep 20, 2012 4:50 pm

I think conspiracy theories are the manifestation of the anxiety people feel because they innately understand how impossible it is for a nation of 300 million (or whatever the pop of your country is) to give a shit about people on an individual level. This causes social alienation, which in turn creates anxiety. Many folks have difficult resolving the anxiety because they are alienated so it is a viscous circle of unresolved anxiety that must find an outlet. In comes the conspiracy theory, which is basically a way to reach out socially for isolated and alienated individuals.

Look at the narrative, it's always a faceless governmental entity that kills a large amount of the population. So many people that the chances of YOU escaping are zero. Therefore we should stick together.

This scenario is specifically designed to provoke the same anxiety in the minds of the people they share their theories with.
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Re: FEMA camps, coffins and train

Postby Boris Johnson » Thu Sep 20, 2012 5:21 pm

Ok I looked into these guide-stones. IF this was the super secret plan, why carve it on a rock and put it in a field in Georgia?

IF I had a super secret plan to control the world, I wouldn't carve it in stone and leave said stone lying around for everyone to see. Kinda defeats the purpose.
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Re: FEMA camps, coffins and train

Postby cat » Thu Sep 20, 2012 7:41 pm

Boris Johnson wrote:Ok, some points

1) Given what happened in southern Louisiana with Katrina (a disaster management f**k of epic proportions), some sort of national emergency infrastructure seems like a good idea. Thing is by bringing in people like alec jones you suddenly jump form something that frankly is fairly neutral to even potentially beneficial in its intent to it instantly being sinister, and invidence in and of itself of a sinister conspiracy.


It is a good idea to have some emergency infrastructure, but when it is over 800 of them across the country, it could only mean the government is indeed preparing a gigantic nationwide disaster.It is suspicious. Beside, these camps have FENCE! WHY?
They look like concentration camps, who can blame us to connect them with sinister motives behind?

Can you tell me why would a normal emergency center need fence, bulb wires, and guard?


2) Again Ron Paul has a flair for the dramatic, that he's somehow privy to some massive conspiracy in virtue of being a congressman is prehaps plausible. But if this conspiracy is so omnipresent and powerful and most important sinister, then why does he get to go around shouting about it, or even hinting at it?

First, Ron Paul hardly is a conspiracy theortist. Federal reverse is a private secter, owned by foreign shareholders, the so-called federal is in name only. America did stage a coup to overthrown the Iranian democratic elected president in the 50s, all these are facts, they are not conspiracy theories.

As for why Ron Paul still alive, one: I think it is too late for anyone to change the conspiracy that the elites implemented, at least they have the confident that they think they already secure their plans and succeed, so they don't even care about people talk about it.

Two: Ron Paul is popular in the East too. The Eastern secret society issue warning about any attempt on Paul's life, there will be conseqence. I heard that about a year ago on the net, I can't find that source now. so, you may regard it as not creditable.

3) Whilst im familiar with the works of Malthus and agree with their general import, I could disagree that most of the powerful people and organisations appears to be particularly concerned with it, certainly there is much written on the notion of unlimited progress being the primary assumption behind economic policy. Population control is certaintly not a sinister policy, 7 billion certaintly is not sustainable. But I suppose that's neither here nor there, my point is merely that if the CCP can't do it, why could some shadowy cabal.[/quote]

Population control is not depopulaion plan.

The depopulation plan is about massive genocide to reduce the population down to 500 millions to a billion, down to a managerable level to the elites, that's about 80-90% elimination. The elites think they are gods, they own the earth, they decide who live and who die.

If the WWIII start, it won't be that difficult to reach their goal.

4) These elites you speak of clearly owing their wealth to large organised civil society, why would they then seek to destroy that by reducing the world population to levels of what 400ad? Less manpower, hell of a lot less wealth creation.

I don't think manpower is that value as we are in such advance technology age and we will only keep advancing.

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Re: FEMA camps, coffins and train

Postby cat » Thu Sep 20, 2012 8:02 pm

NAB wrote:I recall seeing a thorough debunking of this FEMA camp nonsense years ago, which included, iirc, people going to the effort of contacting business in the vicinity of said "camps" to confirm. It's a bunch of bullshit.

I posted the Popular Mechanics article because it was quick and concise, but if someone were really interested in this topic (meow) they should take some effort trying to debunk their own info to see if it can stand up to the smell test. If you do this in a honest manner, it's going to stink to high heaven. It is known.

Anyway, have fun and say hi to Robodoon if you run into him on the net.


You don't believe in anything. Fine by me. Time will tell.

Just warn you in advance(meow, meow), don't go into these camps, no matter what, they will lure you into it, they will tell you, they have food, meds, shelters, shower, just don't go, they have gas chambers, they have fence, you get in, you will never get out.
They may even chip you. DON'T GET CHIPPED.

I like Robodoon, even though he's a bit over the edge. I will send your regard to him if the chance are given.
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Re: FEMA camps, coffins and train

Postby cat » Thu Sep 20, 2012 8:04 pm

The Dharma Bum wrote:I think conspiracy theories are the manifestation of the anxiety people feel because they innately understand how impossible it is for a nation of 300 million (or whatever the pop of your country is) to give a shit about people on an individual level. This causes social alienation, which in turn creates anxiety. Many folks have difficult resolving the anxiety because they are alienated so it is a viscous circle of unresolved anxiety that must find an outlet. In comes the conspiracy theory, which is basically a way to reach out socially for isolated and alienated individuals.

Look at the narrative, it's always a faceless governmental entity that kills a large amount of the population. So many people that the chances of YOU escaping are zero. Therefore we should stick together.

This scenario is specifically designed to provoke the same anxiety in the minds of the people they share their theories with.


LOL! yeah......we are the bad guys and we are crazy....meow!
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