Does the Government Hire Fake Conspiracy Theorists?

Re: Does the Government Hire Fake Conspiracy Theorists?

Postby Indy » Wed Feb 20, 2013 11:18 am

NAB wrote:According to Southpark, the entire 9/11 Truth Movement is a government construct.

Based on some of the nonsense I've encountered from Truthers, it would appear it's a rather low-funded and poorly managed program staffed by dimwits.

I think Southpark is on to something.


The problem with this assertion is that all the "debunkers" who pat themselves on the back for shooting down the "twoofers"... themselves swallow hook, line and sinker the Official Gov't StoryTM of events leading up to 9/11.

Um...
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Re: Does the Government Hire Fake Conspiracy Theorists?

Postby NAB » Wed Feb 20, 2013 11:25 am

Indy wrote:
NAB wrote:According to Southpark, the entire 9/11 Truth Movement is a government construct.

Based on some of the nonsense I've encountered from Truthers, it would appear it's a rather low-funded and poorly managed program staffed by dimwits.

I think Southpark is on to something.


The problem with this assertion is that all the "debunkers" who pat themselves on the back for shooting down the "twoofers"... themselves swallow hook, line and sinker the Official Gov't StoryTM of events leading up to 9/11.

Um...


Um...no. As one of those debunkers, God is in the details. Debunking controlled demolitions, space beams, fake jumpers, etc, is necessary to get rid of the nonsense that muddies the waters. Funding, potential "allied" governments involvement, etc., are things that should be focused on, but Truthers have completely effed that up with their bullshit. That is why they should be debunked harshly and with impunity at every opportunity. Eventually their dumbass movement will die (as it currently is), and some focus on important issues might come to light.
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Re: Does the Government Hire Fake Conspiracy Theorists?

Postby NAB » Wed Feb 20, 2013 11:30 am

As a follow-up, the Truth movement has been dying for quite a few years now and the Truthers have mainly done it to themselves (regardless of their whiny cries of shills shutting them down).

I've always found the best debunking tool is let a Truther post as much as possible. They eventually will bleed to death from all the self-inflicted wounds.
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Re: Does the Government Hire Fake Conspiracy Theorists?

Postby Indy » Wed Feb 20, 2013 11:45 am

Um...no. As one of those debunkers, God is in the details. Debunking controlled demolitions, space beams, fake jumpers, etc, is necessary to get rid of the nonsense that muddies the waters. Funding, potential "allied" governments involvement, etc., are things that should be focused on, but Truthers have completely effed that up with their bullshit. That is why they should be debunked harshly and with impunity at every opportunity. Eventually their dumbass movement will die (as it currently is), and some focus on important issues might come to light.


And, um, where did you get the idea that rejecting the official version of vents means embracing "controlled demolitions, space beams, fake jumpers, etc."?

:-?

See, this is what I mean when you get absolutists on either side of the issue--the first casualty is the truth. Although maybe that's the idea.
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Re: Does the Government Hire Fake Conspiracy Theorists?

Postby NAB » Wed Feb 20, 2013 11:52 am

Indy wrote:
Um...no. As one of those debunkers, God is in the details. Debunking controlled demolitions, space beams, fake jumpers, etc, is necessary to get rid of the nonsense that muddies the waters. Funding, potential "allied" governments involvement, etc., are things that should be focused on, but Truthers have completely effed that up with their bullshit. That is why they should be debunked harshly and with impunity at every opportunity. Eventually their dumbass movement will die (as it currently is), and some focus on important issues might come to light.


And, um, where did you get the idea that rejecting the official version of vents means embracing "controlled demolitions, space beams, fake jumpers, etc."?

:-?

See, this is what I mean when you get absolutists on either side of the issue--the first casualty is the truth. Although maybe that's the idea.


Then why did you feel the need to take an absolute approach with regards to debunkers?
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Re: Does the Government Hire Fake Conspiracy Theorists?

Postby Indy » Wed Feb 20, 2013 12:16 pm

When you espoused the absolutist debunker view that all those who question the official 9/11 story endorse things like--here, let me just guess:

-Photon/particle/laser beams or whatever that is
-A missle striking the Pentagon and not a plane
-Controlled demolition
-Fake cell calls from flight 93, etc.
-Bush himself guiding the attacks
-Flight 93 not actually crashing but being diverted to an Ohio airport
-Remote controlled planes hitting the WTC
-Flammable paint applied to the WTC infrastructure weeks before
-AQ having nothing to do with it

Yada, yada, yada. Am I missing anything? I know the drill...
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Re: Does the Government Hire Fake Conspiracy Theorists?

Postby NAB » Wed Feb 20, 2013 12:22 pm

Seriously, you need to read what you wrote and what I responded with.

Remember, your first response to me was..

Indy wrote:The problem with this assertion is that all the "debunkers" who pat themselves on the back for shooting down the "twoofers"... themselves swallow hook, line and sinker the Official Gov't StoryTM of events leading up to 9/11.


Me

NAB wrote:As one of those debunkers, God is in the details. Debunking controlled demolitions, space beams, fake jumpers, etc, is necessary to get rid of the nonsense that muddies the waters. Funding, potential "allied" governments involvement, etc., are things that should be focused on, but Truthers have completely effed that up with their bullshit.


Again, you were criticising absolutism or something right?
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Re: Does the Government Hire Fake Conspiracy Theorists?

Postby Indy » Wed Feb 20, 2013 12:32 pm

Well let's cut to the chase. Clearly you're talking about Saudi Arabia. I'm with you on that.

Beware: the moment you go that route, the pile-on will commence from people whom you didn't realize were Saudi-philes who will eviscerate you for ever suggesting such a thing.

Although since we're getting into it, let's not forget Pakistan--our "ally"--whom arguably had a BIGGER role than the Saudis.

And boy, did that ever become apparent, COUGH, when we found somebody, COUGH, living there recently...
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Re: Does the Government Hire Fake Conspiracy Theorists?

Postby spacemonkey » Wed Feb 20, 2013 12:43 pm

Whatever the govt says is the truth,is the truth. And should never be questioned, no matter how many times they change the story. :popcorn:
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Re: Does the Government Hire Fake Conspiracy Theorists?

Postby NAB » Wed Feb 20, 2013 2:11 pm

Indy wrote:Well let's cut to the chase. Clearly you're talking about Saudi Arabia. I'm with you on that.

Beware: the moment you go that route, the pile-on will commence from people whom you didn't realize were Saudi-philes who will eviscerate you for ever suggesting such a thing.

Although since we're getting into it, let's not forget Pakistan--our "ally"--whom arguably had a BIGGER role than the Saudis.

And boy, did that ever become apparent, COUGH, when we found somebody, COUGH, living there recently...


I tend to lean way more towards Pakistan than Saudi Arabia on that front.

In that vein, I've started many a thread in 9/11 forums concerning possible Pakistani ISI involvement (PCF 1.0 and other forums) and I've yet to get a Truther to respond to them. I have had many debunkers get involved, and, while we've disagreed on some of the details, most of them felt there was some connection, and this was way before OBL got offed. That's why I don't feel like all debunkers fall into the hook, line, and sinker mode. Truthers, however........I've got very little patience for their bullshit. 99% of it is just complete crap.
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