Boris Johnson's Philosophy fun-time. Part:1

Re: Boris Johnson's Philosophy fun-time. Part:1

Postby broken robot » Wed Feb 20, 2013 12:04 am

Revenant wrote:franz left because yet another one of his internet villages was demolished

just fyi so you're not waiting on a response


Could you elaborate? I haven't seen any particular transition in this forum, it's pretty much been the same people having the same kind of discussion so what exactly has been demolished?
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Re: Boris Johnson's Philosophy fun-time. Part:1

Postby Gnostic » Wed Feb 20, 2013 2:31 pm

Revenant wrote:
Gnostic wrote:my opinion is he wasnt all that brilliant anyway.


better than you tbqh


Coming from you that's a big compliment, thanks.
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Re: Boris Johnson's Philosophy fun-time. Part:1

Postby Revenant » Wed Feb 20, 2013 7:39 pm

Gnostic wrote:
Revenant wrote:
Gnostic wrote:my opinion is he wasnt all that brilliant anyway.


better than you tbqh


Coming from you that's a big compliment, thanks.


eh, take it as you will pleb
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Re: Boris Johnson's Philosophy fun-time. Part:1

Postby exploited » Wed Feb 20, 2013 8:25 pm

To be honest, I find most of the arguments in this thread to be totally void of substance.

Unless you can make a decision at the end of a philosophical debate, throw it the f**k out.
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Re: Boris Johnson's Philosophy fun-time. Part:1

Postby Gnostic » Thu Feb 21, 2013 2:45 am

exploited wrote:To be honest, I find most of the arguments in this thread to be totally void of substance.

Unless you can make a decision at the end of a philosophical debate, throw it the f**k out.



I can agree with this. But only if said philosophical debate is over something quite ordinary and simplistic.
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Re: Boris Johnson's Philosophy fun-time. Part:1

Postby The Dharma Bum » Thu Feb 21, 2013 7:55 am

exploited wrote:To be honest, I find most of the arguments in this thread to be totally void of substance.

Unless you can make a decision at the end of a philosophical debate, throw it the f**k out.


Any argument to attempts to supply an objective basis for morality or supports any type of moral absolutism is devoid of substance.

Ethics is purely an exercise is cultural aesthetics. Which is why it is a poor principle to make the basis for the regulation of social interaction. Instead of an ethical basis society should have an equitable basis. It's a far more stolid principle to work upon.

Equitable relations are a superior form of social interaction. Orderly, efficient, effective. Equity should be the basis of society rather than Ethics. If everyone gets the same there is no need to chase intellectual phantoms or seek justification. The question of whether an activity is ethical or not becomes moot.
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Re: Boris Johnson's Philosophy fun-time. Part:1

Postby exploited » Thu Feb 21, 2013 8:37 am

Gnostic wrote:
exploited wrote:To be honest, I find most of the arguments in this thread to be totally void of substance.

Unless you can make a decision at the end of a philosophical debate, throw it the f**k out.



I can agree with this. But only if said philosophical debate is over something quite ordinary and simplistic.


Most moral decisions are both ordinary and simplistic.
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Re: Boris Johnson's Philosophy fun-time. Part:1

Postby exploited » Thu Feb 21, 2013 8:41 am

The Dharma Bum wrote:
exploited wrote:To be honest, I find most of the arguments in this thread to be totally void of substance.

Unless you can make a decision at the end of a philosophical debate, throw it the f**k out.


Any argument to attempts to supply an objective basis for morality or supports any type of moral absolutism is devoid of substance.

Ethics is purely an exercise is cultural aesthetics. Which is why it is a poor principle to make the basis for the regulation of social interaction. Instead of an ethical basis society should have an equitable basis. It's a far more stolid principle to work upon.

Equitable relations are a superior form of social interaction. Orderly, efficient, effective. Equity should be the basis of society rather than Ethics. If everyone gets the same there is no need to chase intellectual phantoms or seek justification. The question of whether an activity is ethical or not becomes moot.


Moral absolutism is a bunch of crap, and moral objectivity is impossible. Yet the decision to not murder someone is more moral than the decision to do so... usually. That is where ethics comes in.
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Re: Boris Johnson's Philosophy fun-time. Part:1

Postby The Dharma Bum » Thu Feb 21, 2013 8:11 pm

exploited wrote:
The Dharma Bum wrote:
exploited wrote:To be honest, I find most of the arguments in this thread to be totally void of substance.

Unless you can make a decision at the end of a philosophical debate, throw it the f**k out.


Any argument to attempts to supply an objective basis for morality or supports any type of moral absolutism is devoid of substance.

Ethics is purely an exercise is cultural aesthetics. Which is why it is a poor principle to make the basis for the regulation of social interaction. Instead of an ethical basis society should have an equitable basis. It's a far more stolid principle to work upon.

Equitable relations are a superior form of social interaction. Orderly, efficient, effective. Equity should be the basis of society rather than Ethics. If everyone gets the same there is no need to chase intellectual phantoms or seek justification. The question of whether an activity is ethical or not becomes moot.


Moral absolutism is a bunch of crap, and moral objectivity is impossible. Yet the decision to not murder someone is more moral than the decision to do so... usually. That is where ethics comes in.


It basically depends entirely on how the set of circumstance relates to the cultural context. In some cases a homicide could be seen as an act of justice or heroism. The very same set of circumstances in another cultural context could be seen as a crime.
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Re: Boris Johnson's Philosophy fun-time. Part:1

Postby Gnostic » Tue Nov 19, 2013 3:32 am

The Dharma Bum wrote:
Ethics is purely an exercise is cultural aesthetics.


Disagree.

The history of ethics/morals has purpose and scope far beyond only aesthetics. The basic ones were drilled into people's heads for thousands of years and considered requisites for civilization. And the means of such instinctive conditioning were often a lot less than aesthetic.
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