What is truth?

Re: What is truth?

Postby exploited » Thu Sep 17, 2015 5:17 pm

lnrw wrote:
exploited wrote:
lnrw wrote:So how is that not a truth to you?


It is a truth to me, but my truth is not THE truth, if you get my drift. We can use logic and rationality to evaluate statements, but the conclusions are not objectively valid, and cannot really be said to be "the truth," at least if you view the truth as something objective and finite.


However, that truth exists.

Living or dying is an objective fact.


To be honest, though, I can't figure out a way to square "the truth exists" with any sort of rationale. If it exists, then it exists outside of human circumstance - it just is. And if that is the case, where is it to be found?

Take life and death.

We are a conglomeration of various organs, which enable certain senses, which are interpreted by our brains, in a coherent way, to produce something we call consciousness. We are "alive," but what does that mean? Are we alive because we are sentient? Are we alive because we can move around? And how can you define it in such a way that it retains meaning? If life is simply chemical reactions, than what ISN'T alive? And even in death these chemical reactions continue to occur. Does that mean a dead person is alive?

Perhaps it is more than chemical reactions. Maybe it is being conscious. But in that case, are all plants and most animals not alive?

It seems to me that we can approach truth, but never really get there. It's an infinite onion.
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Re: What is truth?

Postby lnrw » Thu Sep 17, 2015 5:21 pm

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Re: What is truth?

Postby Saz » Thu Sep 17, 2015 5:21 pm

1+1=2
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Re: What is truth?

Postby Inzomniac » Fri Nov 13, 2015 9:16 pm

If you were interested in truth, you shouldn't have joined a political site. :rolleyes:
The truth is a bitter pill.

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Re: What is truth?

Postby spacemonkey » Sat Nov 14, 2015 12:00 pm

Truth = death and taxes.
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Re: What is truth?

Postby Medius » Mon Nov 16, 2015 1:20 pm

Truth is a tree falling in the forest and nobody being around to lie about the sound.

I think you have to split between truth that can be determined purely objectively and that which requires some amount of deduction, which introduces humans, which introduces subjectivity.

Even then, I would argue that truth still exists, what fails is the discernment of truth. Though I can understand questioning it as the value of truth is a completely distinct concept from the quality of truth.

That is, a lie told to another as truth may create the same result as if the lie were actually true. It may create a positive result that otherwise may not have occurred if the truth had been told.

Further, for truths that exist only in social dynamics, the actual truth may never be knowable. Whether a thing happened or did not happen may be impossible to determine and through events or even just pure mistrust, the truth may not ever be able to be determined. This is where it gets really fuzzy. Though, I still believe the truth exists, whatever happened did happen, even if it is impossible to discern.
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Re: What is truth?

Postby Saz » Mon Nov 16, 2015 3:17 pm

Truth is whatever you can make someone else believe
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Re: What is truth?

Postby Saz » Mon Nov 16, 2015 3:19 pm

Man I forgot I already posted in this thread and my two answers are completely different. What does this mean?
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Re: What is truth?

Postby Medius » Mon Nov 16, 2015 3:48 pm

Saz wrote:Man I forgot I already posted in this thread and my two answers are completely different. What does this mean?


That you passed the bar.
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Re: What is truth?

Postby NAB » Mon Nov 16, 2015 3:50 pm

Medius wrote:
Saz wrote:Man I forgot I already posted in this thread and my two answers are completely different. What does this mean?


That you passed the bar.


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