Ayn Rand Objectivsm v. Karl Marx Communiusm

Re: Ayn Rand Objectivsm v. Karl Marx Communiusm

Postby Menson » Sun Jan 04, 2015 2:14 pm

The Comrade wrote:they'd rebel and slit the riches throats


Only if the rich were dumb enough to not maintain their own, highly paid private armies.
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Re: Ayn Rand Objectivsm v. Karl Marx Communiusm

Postby The Comrade » Sun Jan 04, 2015 2:21 pm

i don't think even the richest person on the planet could afford a private army even at US military salaries. even if they could, in the end it'd be slightly better than a militia unless they can maintain fleets of tanks and jets.

besides, mercenaries have failed to quell rebellions throughout human history.
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Re: Ayn Rand Objectivsm v. Karl Marx Communiusm

Postby exploited » Sun Jan 04, 2015 2:22 pm

When you're hired on for a buck with no sense of duty beyond that, and you're faced with killing a mob, it isn't always the smartest to stick with it. Better to get yours and flee.
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Re: Ayn Rand Objectivsm v. Karl Marx Communiusm

Postby Philly » Sun Jan 04, 2015 2:23 pm

Yeah I'd go kinglsayer in a heartbeat when a giant mob showed up to take Menson's goats.
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Re: Ayn Rand Objectivsm v. Karl Marx Communiusm

Postby The Dharma Bum » Sun Jan 04, 2015 2:32 pm

the elite have no need for mercenaries, they have the state and it's resource to control the population

however its hundreds against millions

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/20 ... -in-revolt
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Re: Ayn Rand Objectivsm v. Karl Marx Communiusm

Postby eynon81 » Sun Jan 04, 2015 6:46 pm

The Dharma Bum wrote:the elite have no need for mercenaries, they have the state and it's resource to control the population

however its hundreds against millions

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/20 ... -in-revolt


the hypo was what would happen if the state removed its' extensive welfare system.

the primary way they keep the poors from revolting is because of said extensive welfare system.

my clients aren't starving.

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Re: Ayn Rand Objectivsm v. Karl Marx Communiusm

Postby Menson » Sun Jan 04, 2015 7:12 pm

In this mythical world, can the rich purchase 3,000 round per minute miniguns and space them in four towers within their 12 foot, razorwire topped fence? Just wondering as I consider their odds vs. impoverished masses. Keep in mind that in a world governed by Ayn Rand's ideology, the poor would be REALLY poor.
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Re: Ayn Rand Objectivsm v. Karl Marx Communiusm

Postby eynon81 » Sun Jan 04, 2015 7:24 pm

Menson wrote:In this mythical world, can the rich purchase 3,000 round per minute miniguns and space them in four towers within their 12 foot, razorwire topped fence? Just wondering as I consider their odds vs. impoverished masses. Keep in mind that in a world governed by Ayn Rand's ideology, the poor would be REALLY poor.


a wave of Methhead suicide bombers can handle that...followed by a swarm of toyota tacomas with .30 cals.
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Re: Ayn Rand Objectivsm v. Karl Marx Communiusm

Postby Menson » Sun Jan 04, 2015 8:12 pm

I don't think the poor in Ayn Rand's world would have Tacomas or .30 cals. They likely wouldn't have any possessions at all, maybe not even clothes. They would have to pawn everything they own in order to survive with absolutely no government assistance. I imagine it would be a bunch of starving, severely underweight, completely uneducated people in rags.
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Re: Ayn Rand Objectivsm v. Karl Marx Communiusm

Postby The Comrade » Sun Jan 04, 2015 11:21 pm

people with absolutely nothing to live for are the last people you want to be facing in a rebellion.
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