Ayn Rand Objectivsm v. Karl Marx Communiusm

Ayn Rand Objectivsm v. Karl Marx Communiusm

Postby Chesty Puller » Sun Dec 21, 2014 10:52 pm

Objectivism and Communism are two sides of the same coin, and fail for the same reason. Objectivist (read, Libertarian) philosophy rests on the requirement that people base their decisions on rational self-interest. Communist philosophy rests on the requirement that people base their decisions on rational communal interest. Both schools of thought promise a utopia where everyone lives happily ever after, but neither can deliver.

Why?

People are not (only) rational. Unless you are Spock, you do not base your decisions entirely on rational thought. Emotions play a part, and that is okay. Emotions are a part of who we are as a species, and we should not try to deny that. But a consequence of that fact is that our decisions do not purely reflect rational self or communal interest. (and, truth be told, even when we try to be rational, sometimes we are just plain stupid). An objectivist may make a short-sighted decision that he/she thinks is in their own interest, but actually hurts them in the long run. A communist may do something "for the greater good" that crushes the individual, and by extension the whole society. Mankind is more complex than any simple school of philosophy can encapsulate.

What does this mean?

Trying to adhere to a rigid philosophy does not do anyone any good. Real-world consequences must take precedence. Do not misread me: I do not believe that "The ends justify the means." On the contrary, the ends usually reflect the means. But if we take the time to examine cause-and-effect, and learn from experience, we can find the proper balance between ideologies.
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Re: Ayn Rand Objectivsm v. Karl Marx Communiusm

Postby The Dharma Bum » Mon Dec 22, 2014 12:33 am

Objectivism is a poor philosophical attempt to portray selfishness and greed as positive values.

Marx's works are fully developed ideas for an advanced modern society based on mutual aid.
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Re: Ayn Rand Objectivsm v. Karl Marx Communiusm

Postby Stratego » Mon Dec 22, 2014 9:43 am

Rational Objectivism makes sense if you define "self" not just as the physical self, but as rings of self identity.
Sigmund Freud defined four parts of a psyche; the id, the ego, the superego and the stratego. The Stratego being the highest form of morality and scientific thinking.

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Re: Ayn Rand Objectivsm v. Karl Marx Communiusm

Postby spacemonkey » Mon Dec 22, 2014 12:28 pm

None of our ideologies so far are fit for the long haul in an industrialized finite world.
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Re: Ayn Rand Objectivsm v. Karl Marx Communiusm

Postby Menson » Sat Jan 03, 2015 10:52 pm

Mensonism states that people do what they want for whatever reason compels them at a specific point in time.
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Re: Ayn Rand Objectivsm v. Karl Marx Communiusm

Postby eynon81 » Sat Jan 03, 2015 10:57 pm

western europeans develop most successful political philosophies in human history.


we can't shut-up about the failed bull-shit invented by Eastern Europeans decades later.
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Re: Ayn Rand Objectivsm v. Karl Marx Communiusm

Postby The Comrade » Sat Jan 03, 2015 11:16 pm

is this a sly way of saying that marxism is good and objectivism is bad?
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Re: Ayn Rand Objectivsm v. Karl Marx Communiusm

Postby Southern Dad » Sat Jan 03, 2015 11:46 pm

In an Ayn Rand society what would happen to all those too lazy to look for work?
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Re: Ayn Rand Objectivsm v. Karl Marx Communiusm

Postby The Comrade » Sun Jan 04, 2015 12:13 am

they'd rebel and slit the riches throats
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Re: Ayn Rand Objectivsm v. Karl Marx Communiusm

Postby eynon81 » Sun Jan 04, 2015 12:32 am

Southern Dad wrote:In an Ayn Rand society what would happen to all those too lazy to look for work?



Julius Caesar happens.
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