Fascist Libertarian?

Re: Fascist Libertarian?

Postby The Dharma Bum » Wed Aug 13, 2014 1:42 am

yeah, and libertarian fascism is the ideology that informs anarchocapitalism

See the show Continuum on netflix for an example of that type of society from contemporary fiction
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Re: Fascist Libertarian?

Postby Homer » Wed Aug 13, 2014 2:11 am

The Dharma Bum wrote:libertarianism can totally exist within the context of corporatism

think of a world where there are no governments and everything is run by corporate entities


Well fascism is more than just corporatism; authoritarianism is a major aspect of fascism, which is completely at odds to libertarianism.
Libertarian fascist is an oxymoron. I might as well call myself a free market communist.
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Re: Fascist Libertarian?

Postby Stratego » Wed Aug 13, 2014 4:39 am

Fascism comes from the Italian word "fascio" which means a bundle of sticks. The idea is that one stick is weak, but together they're strong. If libertarians decide to unite then they're also fascist.
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Re: Fascist Libertarian?

Postby Homer » Wed Aug 13, 2014 5:04 am

Stratego wrote:Fascism comes from the Italian word "fascio" which means a bundle of sticks. The idea is that one stick is weak, but together they're strong. If libertarians decide to unite then they're also fascist.


Nonsense. If that were true, then every political party that has ever existed is fascist because politically like minded people have united.
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Re: Fascist Libertarian?

Postby Stratego » Wed Aug 13, 2014 5:32 am

Yep, you're all fascists. It doesn't have to have any negative connotation.
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Re: Fascist Libertarian?

Postby Homer » Wed Aug 13, 2014 6:39 am

Stratego wrote:Yep, you're all fascists. It doesn't have to have any negative connotation.


lol. I don't even know where to begin responding to this level of insanity.
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Re: Fascist Libertarian?

Postby The Dharma Bum » Wed Aug 13, 2014 8:23 am

Homer wrote:
The Dharma Bum wrote:libertarianism can totally exist within the context of corporatism

think of a world where there are no governments and everything is run by corporate entities


Well fascism is more than just corporatism; authoritarianism is a major aspect of fascism, which is completely at odds to libertarianism.
Libertarian fascist is an oxymoron. I might as well call myself a free market communist.


authority doesn't necessarily come only from a state, that's an unfounded assumption on your part

the example i used before illustrates this point.

fascism itself is merely the use of extreme measures in support of private property. it can take many forms and is not necessarily limited to statism

also it is entirely possible to live in a communal setting that features market distribution, this is called mutualism
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Re: Fascist Libertarian?

Postby John Galt » Wed Aug 13, 2014 8:39 am

many people are fascists. they just don't say that these days because of the association with racism and death and destruction, but it's not necessary to be that way. instead they say things like they are a "moderate who loves their country and supports mixed economies". fascists when it was fashionable would have talked about their third way in the economical world, not liberal and open and free, nor was it state mandated, but in between, getting the best of both worlds. and lots of people support this to this day, and would probably get all offended if you called them out on being the fascist pigs they are
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Re: Fascist Libertarian?

Postby Indy » Wed Aug 13, 2014 8:41 am

The Dharma Bum wrote:libertarianism can totally exist within the context of corporatism

think of a world where there are no governments and everything is run by corporate entities


Unfortunately that's what it's become. I believe the Koch brothers call themselves "libertarians" and that's pretty much the idea. The gov't merely exists to provide defense and to enforce laws they select upon the people--unless the "people" are corporations, who are bound to no laws.

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Re: Fascist Libertarian?

Postby That1Guy » Wed Aug 13, 2014 11:18 am

The Dharma Bum wrote:libertarianism can totally exist within the context of corporatism

think of a world where there are no governments and everything is run by corporate entities

What the article posted is saying is you need to have order before you can have libertarianism, and a people that would be guaranteed to embrace it.

I totally get his point, because it's obvious that right now...we don't have that kind of people here in the USA. But then he talks about imprisoning leftists & all that...that's where he loses me.

The frustration is understandable, but I would not advocate his solution...even if it has the possibility of working.
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