Sam Harris: The Delusion of Free Will

Re: Sam Harris: The Delusion of Free Will

Postby Saz » Tue Jul 29, 2014 4:41 pm

Dylan wrote:Free will is definitely a myth. You're the product of genetics and environment. Full stop.

When you realize that it really becomes easy to not get mad at others. It's not their fault.


The real answer is who cares? Completely irrelevant discussion to all but the psychotic.
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Re: Sam Harris: The Delusion of Free Will

Postby Philly » Tue Jul 29, 2014 4:44 pm

exploited wrote:Haha what.

"Depends on the day" is a colloquialism or catch-all phrase for such factors.

It seems to me that your argument consists of listening to a person detail their considerations, then simply glaring at them and asking "but did you REALLY choose to eat tacos?"

It is as reliant upon mysticism as determinism.

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Re: Sam Harris: The Delusion of Free Will

Postby exploited » Tue Jul 29, 2014 4:47 pm

I'll give my thoughts here:

It all plays into the artificial dichotomy of nature versus nurture. The brain is malleable. We have certain initial impulses and predispositions, yes, but as anyone who has changed their life can tell you, these can be either changed or suppressed enough to be considered changed.

To argue that we don't have free will is to argue that human beings are incapable of change, both individually and over generations. Both statements are provably false. As we make choices, the hardware of our brain changes. That is simple fact. And if you want to play the determinism game, you have to come to terms with that. Not only are all human beings capable of altering and controlling their behavior (for instance I chose not to smack my wife when she ate my doritos, despite really wanting too), but the choices we make determine our future behavior (absent a smack, hide those doritos bros). That is by definition free will.
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Re: Sam Harris: The Delusion of Free Will

Postby Saz » Tue Jul 29, 2014 4:50 pm

Shooter Mcgavin wrote:Completely irrelevant discussion to all but the psychotic.


exploited wrote:I'll give my thoughts here:

It all plays into the artificial dichotomy of nature versus nurture. The brain is malleable. We have certain initial impulses and predispositions, yes, but as anyone who has changed their life can tell you, these can be either changed or suppressed enough to be considered changed.

To argue that we don't have free will is to argue that human beings are incapable of change, both individually and over generations. Both statements are provably false. As we make choices, the hardware of our brain changes. That is simple fact. And if you want to play the determinism game, you have to come to terms with that. Not only are all human beings capable of altering and controlling their behavior (for instance I chose not to smack my wife when she ate my doritos, despite really wanting too), but the choices we make determine our future behavior (absent a smack, hide those doritos bros). That is by definition free will.


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Re: Sam Harris: The Delusion of Free Will

Postby exploited » Tue Jul 29, 2014 4:52 pm

These questions are actually kind of important, but not when it comes to selling your soul or making a latte.
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Re: Sam Harris: The Delusion of Free Will

Postby Saz » Tue Jul 29, 2014 4:55 pm

Shooter Mcgavin wrote:Completely irrelevant discussion to all but the psychotic.


exploited wrote:These questions are actually kind of important


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Re: Sam Harris: The Delusion of Free Will

Postby exploited » Tue Jul 29, 2014 4:57 pm

You act as if psychosis is a bad thing.
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Re: Sam Harris: The Delusion of Free Will

Postby Saz » Tue Jul 29, 2014 5:00 pm

exploited wrote:You act as if psychosis is a bad thing.


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Re: Sam Harris: The Delusion of Free Will

Postby exploited » Tue Jul 29, 2014 5:00 pm

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exploited wrote:You act as if psychosis is a bad thing.


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Re: Sam Harris: The Delusion of Free Will

Postby eynon81 » Tue Jul 29, 2014 5:07 pm

exploited wrote:(for instance I chose not to smack my wife when she ate my doritos, despite really wanting too)


and I choose to imagine you spanking your wife when she ate your doritos, because I want to.
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