Sam Harris: The Delusion of Free Will

Re: Sam Harris: The Delusion of Free Will

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Re: Sam Harris: The Delusion of Free Will

Postby exploited » Tue Jul 29, 2014 5:11 pm

So Sunday night then.
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Re: Sam Harris: The Delusion of Free Will

Postby Aaron » Thu Jul 31, 2014 9:41 pm

I'd like to introduce esotericism to this mix. Spirituality makes nature and nurture mere directional nudges in terms of their influences over a lifetime of choices. The energies created by a community humans, or a group of any living thing really, can have profound impacts on your emotional state and subsequently your conscious decisions. Similarly, the idea that a matrix exists is utterly destroyed by the idea of spiritual planes of existence and anything other than what our 5 main senses are consciously used for.
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Re: Sam Harris: The Delusion of Free Will

Postby The Dharma Bum » Thu Jul 31, 2014 10:04 pm

Aaron wrote:I'd like to introduce esotericism to this mix. Spirituality makes nature and nurture mere directional nudges in terms of their influences over a lifetime of choices. The energies created by a community humans, or a group of any living thing really, can have profound impacts on your emotional state and subsequently your conscious decisions. Similarly, the idea that a matrix exists is utterly destroyed by the idea of spiritual planes of existence and anything other than what our 5 main senses are consciously used for.


Any particular disciplines that interest you? I'm interested in any sort of exploration of consciousness lately. Fascinating subject, and there is a wealth of very interesting data on this subject from the field mentioned but it is really not well understood from a scientific standpoint as of yet. I think science is just starting to realize there is perhaps something measurable there so hopefully there will probably be more serious scrutiny in the future.

Also really getting interested in aesthetic pursuits as a way to improve my personal "gestalt" lol I highly recommend bonsai, it's very calming.
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Re: Sam Harris: The Delusion of Free Will

Postby Aaron » Thu Jul 31, 2014 11:36 pm

Anthroposophy interests me, but I'm going to have to get to a time in my life where I either don't need to make significant money or have decided I simply don't need to, before I actually have time to pursue spiritual philosophy
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Re: Sam Harris: The Delusion of Free Will

Postby The Dharma Bum » Fri Aug 01, 2014 6:34 am

ah rudolph steiner, very interesting. also interested in the ideas of george gurdjieff
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Re: Sam Harris: The Delusion of Free Will

Postby The Dharma Bum » Sat Aug 02, 2014 11:17 am

I think esoteric practices are helpful with developing the will. But as you mentioned there are many physical constraints on the body and social obligations that preclude one following their own inner desires. The time and expense involved alone make that prohibitive and can alienate one from their friends and family.

But I think the bigger picture is to lose the desire for all of these things and becoming accepting that while we have a will, we can never truly express a free will except in tightly controlled circumstances.
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