rationality vs intuition

Re: rationality vs intuition

Postby exploited » Sat Apr 26, 2014 11:10 am

Did you even read my posts? Why does your comprehension suck so bad?

I clearly denied the legitimacy of the thinking I'm describing. Why the f**k are you acting like I'm advocating it all of a sudden?

Of course people have different self-interest. Now connect the dots to your statement that to pursue your own self-interest without regard to others is illogical. Allowing others to do what they want is not "respect," nor is it even desirable in many cases, even when it doesn't directly harm you.

I know what this is. You're a typical leftist of average intelligence who wants to pretend you're more logical than conservatives, even while your argument rests entirely on emotional concepts like "respect." This is due to a pathetic and shallow understanding of the scientific process, which you ignorantly assume applies to human behavior, despite the fact that the vast majority of all decisions and judgments are formed subconsciously, and have about as much to do with logic as spaghetti has to do with Mexican food.

In the end, you aren't able to comprehend entry-level philosophy, because it shatters the reflexive and emotional beliefs you hold, the first being that what you think is the result of some sort of axiomatic logical process rather than the complex interaction of animal and rational instincts.

To conclude: stop. You sound dumb. Learn to separate what is being entertained with what is being claimed. Recognize your own emotional, irrational behavior. Stop pretending your understanding of this subject matter - first-year philosophy at best - makes you more logical than others. Literally everything you've said relies upon dozens and dozens of ideological assumptions, all of which are themselves reliant upon an emotional argument ("This is wrong because it causes pain, which feels bad.")

Also... lol at deeming me conservative.
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Re: rationality vs intuition

Postby Philly » Sat Apr 26, 2014 11:39 am

Exploited sonned by nolidor. Take that you contard.

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Re: rationality vs intuition

Postby Nolidor » Sat Apr 26, 2014 1:06 pm

exploited wrote:Did you even read my posts? Why does your comprehension suck so bad?

I clearly denied the legitimacy of the thinking I'm describing. Why the f**k are you acting like I'm advocating it all of a sudden?

Of course people have different self-interest. Now connect the dots to your statement that to pursue your own self-interest without regard to others is illogical. Allowing others to do what they want is not "respect," nor is it even desirable in many cases, even when it doesn't directly harm you.

I know what this is. You're a typical leftist of average intelligence who wants to pretend you're more logical than conservatives, even while your argument rests entirely on emotional concepts like "respect." This is due to a pathetic and shallow understanding of the scientific process, which you ignorantly assume applies to human behavior, despite the fact that the vast majority of all decisions and judgments are formed subconsciously, and have about as much to do with logic as spaghetti has to do with Mexican food.

In the end, you aren't able to comprehend entry-level philosophy, because it shatters the reflexive and emotional beliefs you hold, the first being that what you think is the result of some sort of axiomatic logical process rather than the complex interaction of animal and rational instincts.

To conclude: stop. You sound dumb. Learn to separate what is being entertained with what is being claimed. Recognize your own emotional, irrational behavior. Stop pretending your understanding of this subject matter - first-year philosophy at best - makes you more logical than others. Literally everything you've said relies upon dozens and dozens of ideological assumptions, all of which are themselves reliant upon an emotional argument ("This is wrong because it causes pain, which feels bad.")

Also... lol at deeming me conservative.


Well pardon me for coming here to actually discuss philosophy instead of dealing with passive-aggressive sarcasm.

Some people realize that politics is serious since it actually impacts people's lives. I never argued about pursuing self-interest without regard to others. I argued that people's self-interests aren't supposed to interfere in order to be respectful. You sound like you believe everyone's self-interests ought to interfere like some pragmatic conservative who believes that people ought to conform to traditional norms, and that anti-intellectual rugged individualism is a valid excuse to bully creative people into doing things without consent. Creativity is not limited to science either. It extends to the arts. You come off like some industrialist who doesn't care about culture either now. Again, there's more anti-intellectual, ruggedly individualist work ethic. Did you ever consider that even Rockefeller, Carnegie, Ford, and Edison gave to philanthropy to culturally justify the scientific processes behind their businesses?

Also, you should know better than to simply call people illogical. You're not constructing consensus. All you're doing is dictating your opinion.
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Re: rationality vs intuition

Postby exploited » Sat Apr 26, 2014 2:12 pm

There is nothing worse than a person who makes a dozen posts about how anti-intellectual (read: stupid) certain people are, and then cries foul when confronted with similar behavior. If you don't want to get spoken down to, stop going on about conservatives as if they are the Borg.

I'm not being passive-aggressive by the way, just regular aggressive.

I'm not sure what your point is. That people should respect the self-interest of others, therefore your position is more logical than arguing people should pursue their own self-interest exclusively? That literally has nothing to do with this conversation. Logically speaking, the only time I should respect others self-interest is when it aligns with my own. To not do this is to be emotional, to empathize. Which brings me back to my original point, which you somehow managed to misunderstand: the ideal political philosophy will compromise between logical and emotive thinking. It has to. Because that is what it means to be human.

As for the rest of your gibberish re: the arts, again, I and everyone else have no idea at all what you are talking about. This no more disputes my examples of immoral logic than anything else you've said.
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Re: rationality vs intuition

Postby hipeter924 » Sat Apr 26, 2014 4:20 pm

Surely it is true that true objectivity is an ideal not easily attained. There are multitudinous examples that show our perception of reality and reality do not always correlate.
True objectivity is impossible unless you are an objective agent, meaning someone that is from another dimension or universe. Reality is in the eye of the beholder, as everyone is persuaded into believing reality is a certain way by their environment and their experiences.
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Re: rationality vs intuition

Postby Nolidor » Sun Apr 27, 2014 9:29 am

hipeter924 wrote:
Surely it is true that true objectivity is an ideal not easily attained. There are multitudinous examples that show our perception of reality and reality do not always correlate.
True objectivity is impossible unless you are an objective agent, meaning someone that is from another dimension or universe. Reality is in the eye of the beholder, as everyone is persuaded into believing reality is a certain way by their environment and their experiences.


How would you divide between dimensions? Does a subliminal event have to take place to represent an event horizon?

It sounds like you believe people have to be prejudiced. That sounds more like fascism than anarcho-communism. Left wing ideologies are supposed to be openminded to who people are on the inside that counts. They don't need to be emotionally impressed in order to think before they act.
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