white house to revist ban on military equipment for police

white house to revist ban on military equipment for police

Postby John Galt » Sun Jul 24, 2016 10:09 am

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-p ... SKCN1012KW

    The White House will revisit a 2015 ban on police forces getting riot gear, armored vehicles and other military-grade equipment from the U.S. armed forces, two police organization directors told Reuters on Thursday.

    Shortly after the recent shooting deaths of police officers, President Barack Obama agreed to review each banned item, the two law enforcement leaders said.

    That could result in changes to the ban imposed in May 2015 on the transfer of some equipment from the military to police, said Jim Pasco, executive director of the Fraternal Order of Police, and Bill Johnson, executive director of the National Association of Police Organizations.

    Last year's ban came after a public outcry over police in cities, such as Ferguson, Missouri, using military-grade riot gear and armored vehicles during protests against police brutality.

    Both Pasco and Johnson were among eight police organization chiefs who met with Obama and Vice President Joe Biden at the White House on July 11. That was three days after a shooter targeted and killed five police officers in Dallas.

    Following the meeting, three officers were killed in Baton Rouge on July 17.

    A White House official said the administration regularly reviews what military equipment can be transferred to police and that current rules ensure police get “the tools that they need to protect themselves and their communities while at the same time providing the level of accountability that should go along with the provision of federal equipment.”

    Pictures of police in riot gear and driving armored vehicles toward peaceful protesters sparked a national debate that drew attention to a program used by the U.S. military to unload its excess equipment on local police.

    At last week's meeting, law enforcement leaders urged Obama to reinstate military equipment such as helmets, grenade launchers and tracked armored vehicles to enhance officers' safety and their ability to respond to violent riots.

    Under the 2015 executive order, the federal government may no longer transfer such equipment. Local police are not banned from purchasing it on the private market, but most departments cannot afford that on their own, potentially leaving officers vulnerable, said Pasco.

    "The White House thought this kind of gear was intimidating to people, but they didn't know the purpose it serves," said Pasco, noting a grenade launcher can also launch tear gas for crowd control.

    At Obama's request, White House chief legal counsel Neil Eggleston will review the ban, Pasco and Johnson said.

There's a reason you separate military and the police. One fights the enemies of the state, the other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people. - Admiral Adama

well this is awful. if anything they need to get rid of the equipment they do have -- and police have a lot, financed through the drug war and forfieture. riot protection gear makes sense for police to have, but APCs do not. last year they suspended the program, finally, but now they revist it?
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Re: white house to revist ban on military equipment for poli

Postby spacemonkey » Sun Jul 24, 2016 10:18 am

What we do should never be locked in. It needs to be able to evolve as the threats evolve.
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Re: white house to revist ban on military equipment for poli

Postby John Galt » Sun Jul 24, 2016 10:19 am

spacemonkey wrote:What we do should never be locked in. It needs to be able to evolve as the threats evolve.


police don't need military equipment. the military needs military equipment. if a threat comes that requires military equipment, the national guard should be used.
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Re: white house to revist ban on military equipment for poli

Postby spacemonkey » Sun Jul 24, 2016 10:35 am

John Galt wrote:
spacemonkey wrote:What we do should never be locked in. It needs to be able to evolve as the threats evolve.


police don't need military equipment. the military needs military equipment. if a threat comes that requires military equipment, the national guard should be used.

I wonder who that stuff they used in Ferguson belonged to? It seems we are closer to having martial law then ever for non weather related events.
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Postby Spider » Sun Jul 24, 2016 11:13 am

spacemonkey wrote:
John Galt wrote:
spacemonkey wrote:What we do should never be locked in. It needs to be able to evolve as the threats evolve.


police don't need military equipment. the military needs military equipment. if a threat comes that requires military equipment, the national guard should be used.

I wonder who that stuff they used in Ferguson belonged to? It seems we are closer to having martial law then ever for non weather related events.


When police become militarized, we've got martial law by default.

If they can't manage to be police with just a sidearm, a funny hat, and a badge...then they shouldn't be police.
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