Transgender propaganda

Transgender propaganda

Postby xdangerousxdavex » Wed Aug 26, 2015 11:07 am

It’s clear that everyone has his rights, I don’t want to argue. But transgender propaganda makes me sick. It’s definitely someone’s political agenda. I don’t want to know anything about Jenner and other transgender celebrities but I see this news here and there. The question is: why do they want everyone to know about transgendering? To attract more transgender-wannabes? And why there’re no regretful transgenders showed? I heard that sex change regret is real.
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Re: Transgender propaganda

Postby Medius » Wed Aug 26, 2015 4:43 pm

xdangerousxdavex wrote:It’s clear that everyone has his rights, I don’t want to argue. But transgender propaganda makes me sick. It’s definitely someone’s political agenda. I don’t want to know anything about Jenner and other transgender celebrities but I see this news here and there. The question is: why do they want everyone to know about transgendering? To attract more transgender-wannabes? And why there’re no regretful transgenders showed? I heard that sex change regret is real.


Honestly, it's just about acceptance. I've lived in a community that had trans-gendered people and it isn't much fun for them. And unlike other things, it generally isn't something that you can hide from other people should you choose to make a transition. Both because the process is very far from perfect and because there are ethical implications for romantic relationships.

Personally, I'd prefer if people could find a way to be happy in their given bodies without feeling like they can't be another gender, at least until science catches up to truly making a change of gender (I think what we have right now is a pretty brutal treatment). But that's a personal choice that I wouldn't take away from someone.
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Re: Transgender propaganda

Postby wormwood » Wed Aug 26, 2015 5:22 pm

Transgendered guy: I just feel like a woman. I have a females brain trapped in a man's body. I was born like this and can't help it.

Feminist: there is no such thing as a female mind, way to act, or dress; its all a social construct.

Someone is wrong here...
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Re: Transgender propaganda

Postby Medius » Wed Aug 26, 2015 6:44 pm

wormwood wrote:Transgendered guy: I just feel like a woman. I have a females brain trapped in a man's body. I was born like this and can't help it.

Feminist: there is no such thing as a female mind, way to act, or dress; its all a social construct.

Someone is wrong here...


It isn't so much that someone is wrong, though both are a little wrong. The motivation for each is different.

A transgender person is generally just trying to fit into the societal norm of the other gender. A feminist (of the non-nazi persuasion) is challenging that societal norm.
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Re: Transgender propaganda

Postby wormwood » Wed Aug 26, 2015 7:04 pm

Then it isn't a matter of being "born with a female brain" but a delusional personality disorder?
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Re: Transgender propaganda

Postby Medius » Wed Aug 26, 2015 8:13 pm

wormwood wrote:Then it isn't a matter of being "born with a female brain" but a delusional personality disorder?


Who knows and who cares? Life is very short, so everyone should enjoy the hell out of it however they can. If that requires some changes, so be it.
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Re: Transgender propaganda

Postby eynon81 » Wed Aug 26, 2015 8:59 pm

only thing Non is getting sick of it demanding that others validate their life-style choices.
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Re: Transgender propaganda

Postby wormwood » Thu Aug 27, 2015 12:05 am

Medius wrote:
wormwood wrote:Then it isn't a matter of being "born with a female brain" but a delusional personality disorder?


Who knows and who cares? Life is very short, so everyone should enjoy the hell out of it however they can. If that requires some changes, so be it.


They are two mutually exclusive arguments as far as I can tell. One is claiming that a female mind exists and he has one, and the other says that no such thing exists and thus she doesn't have one.

Seems like at least one of them has to be wrong. If it is the guy who is wrong that means he has a personality disorder that is so severe it can lead to self mutilation. Any other type of delusional disorder that lead to self mutilation would likely end in institutionalization.
If there is such a thing as a female personality/mind/whatever then the woman is wrong and there might be something psychological along similar lines. Any way you look at these two arguments side by side, someone has delusional beliefs.

So what do you think, is there such a thing as a distinctly female mind?
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Re: Transgender propaganda

Postby The Comrade » Thu Aug 27, 2015 12:39 am

i can't tell if you're making strawmen to be a devil's advocate right now or if you truly are dumb enough to be making such a fallacious argument.
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Re: Transgender propaganda

Postby wormwood » Thu Aug 27, 2015 2:15 am

The Comrade wrote:i can't tell if you're making strawmen to be a devil's advocate right now or if you truly are dumb enough to be making such a fallacious argument.

Why can't it be both? Welcome to the wonderful world of deconstructionism where everything is nothing.

Now answer my fallacious question brosef. Is there such a thing or no? If not what is up with these types of claims?
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