Transgender propaganda

Re: Transgender propaganda

Postby The Comrade » Thu Aug 27, 2015 2:21 am

alright sit down, are you ready? because this shit is gonna be intense. some real heavy hitting stuff here.

broad coalition philosophies are not monolithic and produce a wide variety of theories depending on different ideological camps. to say "feminists say this and trans people say this DAE contradiction?" is putting in an embarrassingly low amount of effort.
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Re: Transgender propaganda

Postby wormwood » Thu Aug 27, 2015 2:36 am

The Comrade wrote:alright sit down, are you ready? because this shit is gonna be intense. some real heavy hitting stuff here.

broad coalition philosophies are not monolithic and produce a wide variety of theories depending on different ideological camps. to say "feminists say this and trans people say this DAE contradiction?" is putting in an embarrassingly low amount of effort.

Its not low effort, I just make it LOOK easy.

Of course not everyone of every grouping is going to say the same thing, nor did I say that. I stopped using these blatantly obvious disclaimers long ago because it is generally understood by most people at this point.

Speaking in generalities now in case anyone is confused:
So, does a "female mind" type exist? Is there a structural or genetic difference that causes feminine thoughts actions etc? I've read that gay men have a thicker corpus callosum for example which would be a more female brain structure. Can something like that account for uncontrollable femininity? Or is this some type of delusion? Or something else completely?
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Re: Transgender propaganda

Postby exploited » Thu Aug 27, 2015 8:33 am

Behaviour is the result of environment and genes, and the interplay of both. Arguing it is strictly social or strictly genetic is both simplistic and ultimately wrong. Knowing this allows one to comprehend how one person can "feel" like a woman, while another views it as a social construct - it isn't that one is right and the other wrong, it is that they are both wrong.

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Re: Transgender propaganda

Postby Medius » Thu Aug 27, 2015 9:36 am

exploited wrote:Behaviour is the result of environment and genes, and the interplay of both. Arguing it is strictly social or strictly genetic is both simplistic and ultimately wrong. Knowing this allows one to comprehend how one person can "feel" like a woman, while another views it as a social construct - it isn't that one is right and the other wrong, it is that they are both wrong.


This. Plus, real feminism is about equality in the eyes of the state and appropriate treatment in society. The idea is that women can do or be whatever they choose. The recent perversion of the movement is that women must always act contrary to a feminine role.
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Re: Transgender propaganda

Postby The Comrade » Thu Aug 27, 2015 12:59 pm

well exploited and medius made my point, but with fewer insults.
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Re: Transgender propaganda

Postby eynon81 » Thu Aug 27, 2015 2:26 pm

Medius wrote:
exploited wrote:Behaviour is the result of environment and genes, and the interplay of both. Arguing it is strictly social or strictly genetic is both simplistic and ultimately wrong. Knowing this allows one to comprehend how one person can "feel" like a woman, while another views it as a social construct - it isn't that one is right and the other wrong, it is that they are both wrong.


This. Plus, real feminism is about equality in the eyes of the state and appropriate treatment in society. The idea is that women can do or be whatever they choose. The recent perversion of the movement is that women must always act contrary to a feminine role.



THIS!

best example....late 19th/early 20th century British Boarding Schools. so much sodomy, so many hand-jobs.
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Re: Transgender propaganda

Postby wormwood » Sat Aug 29, 2015 5:46 pm

exploited wrote:Behaviour is the result of environment and genes, and the interplay of both. Arguing it is strictly social or strictly genetic is both simplistic and ultimately wrong. Knowing this allows one to comprehend how one person can "feel" like a woman, while another views it as a social construct - it isn't that one is right and the other wrong, it is that they are both wrong.

Fair enough.
This would seem to imply that transgendered ideas/beliefs/delusions/whatever could be socialized into or out of a person with the right genes or epigenetics. What is the ethical responsibility here?
Something like klinefelters may explain some of these cases, but most are not chromosomal like this and must then be epigenetic. If there is an environmental or social cause for this mental state, do we have an obligation as a society to mitigate that, or because this particular type of delusional state involves sex and sexuality and we are constantly condidtioned to take the "i'm ok, you're ok" approach in this realm should we just allow it to happen, even though many people describe it as a state of misery?
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Re: Transgender propaganda

Postby wormwood » Sat Aug 29, 2015 5:48 pm

Medius wrote:
exploited wrote:Behaviour is the result of environment and genes, and the interplay of both. Arguing it is strictly social or strictly genetic is both simplistic and ultimately wrong. Knowing this allows one to comprehend how one person can "feel" like a woman, while another views it as a social construct - it isn't that one is right and the other wrong, it is that they are both wrong.


This. Plus, real feminism is about equality in the eyes of the state and appropriate treatment in society. The idea is that women can do or be whatever they choose. The recent perversion of the movement is that women must always act contrary to a feminine role.

Rings true. Good observation.
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Re: Transgender propaganda

Postby wormwood » Sat Aug 29, 2015 5:51 pm

The Comrade wrote:well exploited and medius made my point, but with fewer insults.

Don't worry I made you do it. If i didn't burn the roast, you wouldn't have to be mean to me.
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Re: Transgender propaganda

Postby wormwood » Sat Aug 29, 2015 5:54 pm

eynon81 wrote:
Medius wrote:
exploited wrote:Behaviour is the result of environment and genes, and the interplay of both. Arguing it is strictly social or strictly genetic is both simplistic and ultimately wrong. Knowing this allows one to comprehend how one person can "feel" like a woman, while another views it as a social construct - it isn't that one is right and the other wrong, it is that they are both wrong.


This. Plus, real feminism is about equality in the eyes of the state and appropriate treatment in society. The idea is that women can do or be whatever they choose. The recent perversion of the movement is that women must always act contrary to a feminine role.



THIS!

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Don't ever change man.
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