It's June, 2015, and the sky has not fallen

Re: It's June, 2015, and the sky has not fallen

Postby jimmyz » Fri Jun 12, 2015 1:10 pm

Dylan wrote:
jimmyz wrote:Every one of the loony lefts environmental call to arms will be proven false. Check the 800,000 years ago ice core data Dylan. I'd expect that the global warming come global climate change folks will have to invent global climate stagnation at some point to garner more grant money to keep the scheme rolling.

I don't agree. Many, many significant groups with significant funding and a mandate to study the issue have reached contrary conclusions. I don't find it plausible that money has co-opted all of them. Although if you accept this possibility, you must accept the possibility that the sources you rely on have also been co-opted by their benefactors.

Neither you nor I has the education to fully assess the matter on our own. I won't try to because I simply don't have the skill set to properly assess it (and neither do you).


Beyond our personal ignorance to positively conclude either way we do have the Earth's climate history. The ice-core samples prove that the Earths climate has always heated up and cooled off and CO2 levels have fluctuated without the help of man.

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Re: It's June, 2015, and the sky has not fallen

Postby Dylan » Fri Jun 12, 2015 1:13 pm

jimmyz wrote:
Dylan wrote:
jimmyz wrote:Every one of the loony lefts environmental call to arms will be proven false. Check the 800,000 years ago ice core data Dylan. I'd expect that the global warming come global climate change folks will have to invent global climate stagnation at some point to garner more grant money to keep the scheme rolling.

I don't agree. Many, many significant groups with significant funding and a mandate to study the issue have reached contrary conclusions. I don't find it plausible that money has co-opted all of them. Although if you accept this possibility, you must accept the possibility that the sources you rely on have also been co-opted by their benefactors.

Neither you nor I has the education to fully assess the matter on our own. I won't try to because I simply don't have the skill set to properly assess it (and neither do you).


Beyond our personal ignorance to positively conclude either way we do have the Earth's climate history. The ice-core samples prove that the Earths climate has always heated up and cooled off and CO2 levels have fluctuated without the help of man.

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Ergo man's actions cannot contribute to climate change? Doesn't make sense to me, nor to many people that are far more educated and probably far more intelligent than either of us.
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Re: It's June, 2015, and the sky has not fallen

Postby Homer » Fri Jun 12, 2015 1:21 pm

jimmyz wrote:
Dylan wrote:
jimmyz wrote:Every one of the loony lefts environmental call to arms will be proven false. Check the 800,000 years ago ice core data Dylan. I'd expect that the global warming come global climate change folks will have to invent global climate stagnation at some point to garner more grant money to keep the scheme rolling.

I don't agree. Many, many significant groups with significant funding and a mandate to study the issue have reached contrary conclusions. I don't find it plausible that money has co-opted all of them. Although if you accept this possibility, you must accept the possibility that the sources you rely on have also been co-opted by their benefactors.

Neither you nor I has the education to fully assess the matter on our own. I won't try to because I simply don't have the skill set to properly assess it (and neither do you).


Beyond our personal ignorance to positively conclude either way we do have the Earth's climate history. The ice-core samples prove that the Earths climate has always heated up and cooled off and CO2 levels have fluctuated without the help of man.

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Of course they have. Telling us the earth's climate fluctuates naturally is not news.
The point is the current rate of change is faster than those natural fluctuations.
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Re: It's June, 2015, and the sky has not fallen

Postby spacemonkey » Fri Jun 12, 2015 1:24 pm

Global climate change happens on its own, no matter what we do / don't do. However, man can and has affected micro climates around cities. Usually from coal burning coupled with temperature inversions.
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Re: It's June, 2015, and the sky has not fallen

Postby jimmyz » Fri Jun 12, 2015 1:25 pm

Dylan wrote:
jimmyz wrote:
Dylan wrote:
jimmyz wrote:Every one of the loony lefts environmental call to arms will be proven false. Check the 800,000 years ago ice core data Dylan. I'd expect that the global warming come global climate change folks will have to invent global climate stagnation at some point to garner more grant money to keep the scheme rolling.

I don't agree. Many, many significant groups with significant funding and a mandate to study the issue have reached contrary conclusions. I don't find it plausible that money has co-opted all of them. Although if you accept this possibility, you must accept the possibility that the sources you rely on have also been co-opted by their benefactors.

Neither you nor I has the education to fully assess the matter on our own. I won't try to because I simply don't have the skill set to properly assess it (and neither do you).


Beyond our personal ignorance to positively conclude either way we do have the Earth's climate history. The ice-core samples prove that the Earths climate has always heated up and cooled off and CO2 levels have fluctuated without the help of man.

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Ergo man's actions cannot contribute to climate change? Doesn't make sense to me, nor to many people that are far more educated and probably far more intelligent than either of us.


I just don't think that climate fluctuation and small raises in atmospheric CO2 are a dire threat to our species. The personal opinion of a man (me) that survived the '70s hysteria produced by the same scientists within the same governmental and academic institutions that predicted Global Cooling back then.
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Re: It's June, 2015, and the sky has not fallen

Postby jimmyz » Fri Jun 12, 2015 1:27 pm

Homer wrote:
jimmyz wrote:
Dylan wrote:
jimmyz wrote:Every one of the loony lefts environmental call to arms will be proven false. Check the 800,000 years ago ice core data Dylan. I'd expect that the global warming come global climate change folks will have to invent global climate stagnation at some point to garner more grant money to keep the scheme rolling.

I don't agree. Many, many significant groups with significant funding and a mandate to study the issue have reached contrary conclusions. I don't find it plausible that money has co-opted all of them. Although if you accept this possibility, you must accept the possibility that the sources you rely on have also been co-opted by their benefactors.

Neither you nor I has the education to fully assess the matter on our own. I won't try to because I simply don't have the skill set to properly assess it (and neither do you).


Beyond our personal ignorance to positively conclude either way we do have the Earth's climate history. The ice-core samples prove that the Earths climate has always heated up and cooled off and CO2 levels have fluctuated without the help of man.

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Of course they have. Telling us the earth's climate fluctuates naturally is not news.
The point is the current rate of change is faster than those natural fluctuations.


So when is Miami going to be under water?
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Re: It's June, 2015, and the sky has not fallen

Postby jimmyz » Fri Jun 12, 2015 1:29 pm

spacemonkey wrote:Global climate change happens on its own, no matter what we do / don't do. However, man can and has affected micro climates around cities. Usually from coal burning coupled with temperature inversions.


Coal fired plants should be outlawed. In China first. Nuclear power should be used everywhere. But the coal lobby, cost of nuclear plants, and the eco-terrorists hype. So stalemate.
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Re: It's June, 2015, and the sky has not fallen

Postby The Comrade » Fri Jun 12, 2015 1:30 pm

eynon81 wrote:meanwhile the oceans are getting completely f**k by pollution and over-fising.


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Re: It's June, 2015, and the sky has not fallen

Postby eric » Mon Jun 15, 2015 9:14 am

jimmyz wrote:
spacemonkey wrote:Global climate change happens on its own, no matter what we do / don't do. However, man can and has affected micro climates around cities. Usually from coal burning coupled with temperature inversions.


Coal fired plants should be outlawed. In China first. Nuclear power should be used everywhere. But the coal lobby, cost of nuclear plants, and the eco-terrorists hype. So stalemate.


Well, in terms of the planet yeah I definitely want them gone, especially in China. But I don't think that we in the U.S. need to wait for China to do something before we do something, don't you? I'd rather be the leader and make sure our country is good to go.
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Re: It's June, 2015, and the sky has not fallen

Postby spacemonkey » Mon Jun 15, 2015 1:29 pm

If the bad air stayed over the offending countries, but it don't.
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