What if Mass Doesn't Have Gravity?

What if Mass Doesn't Have Gravity?

Postby Stratego » Fri Sep 04, 2015 3:01 pm

What if mass doesn't actually have gravity, but is attracted to gravity? Like how iron isn't really magnetic, but ferocious material is attracted to magnets.

Let say you take two magnets and run them over paperclips, the stronger magnet would pick up more paperclips. You can look at the clumps and relatively accurately say that you'll measure more magnetic force by looking at the clump with more paperclips. But that's not to say that the paperclips actually exert a magnetic force. Now, if you were to have a bunch of magnets and not enough paperclips, you'd see that there are some places with no paperclips, but with a magnetic force. That's a crazy phenomenon if you think that the paperclips are what provided the magnetic force.

What if that's the case with gravity? We see that larger planetary objects have more gravity, but that could just be that the larger gravitational nodes attract more mass. We also come up with theories such as dark matter and parallel universes to explain the inconsistencies we find on the observable mass vs measured gravity. But a simple explanation could be that there's just not enough mass in the Universe to clump around the gravitational nodes. Why doesn't the Universe just collapse because of the gravitational attraction? There are positive and negative gravitational nodes, but they attract masses the same way (like how positive and negative magnetic poles both attract paperclips). But those masses can't collapse together because the like nodes (++ or --) repel each other.
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Re: What if Mass Doesn't Have Gravity?

Postby Stratego » Tue Sep 29, 2015 2:18 pm

Black hole 30x larger than theoretically possible

If mass has gravity then this black hole is too big. But what if that theory is wrong? What if mass is just attracted to gravity like iron to magnets. Then it's possible to have a large black hole without fear that it's going to collapse on itself.
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Re: What if Mass Doesn't Have Gravity?

Postby spacemonkey » Thu Oct 01, 2015 1:22 pm

Is it possible to reach the speed of absolute zero in space? My guess is no. why? Two reasons, 1. we don't know which way to go, 2, our rockets ain't fast enough. Other then that, why would you want to anyway?
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Re: What if Mass Doesn't Have Gravity?

Postby John Galt » Thu Oct 01, 2015 5:12 pm

the gravitational force of an entire planet is so weak those magnets can hold paperclips. mass has massless graviton particles associated with it which have been directly observed but we have seen pulsars emitting gravitational energy http://cosmictimes.gsfc.nasa.gov/online ... nobel.html

but to answer the question, you are postulating that there could be something with a larger amount of gravity than expected for its mass. but the thing is we have a gravitational constant G, and where r is the square of the distance between two objects, you can get the LAW of universal gravitation, Force = G(mass1*mass2)/r

if the gravitons were not associated with mass you could show that law was wrong
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Re: What if Mass Doesn't Have Gravity?

Postby Homer » Fri Oct 02, 2015 12:04 am

oops. I've just read the entire OP thinking he had said "Whit if Mars doesn't have gravity.
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