Christian Dominionism-The Real Threat to a Secular Republic

Re: Christian Dominionism-The Real Threat to a Secular Repub

Postby Vinnie_Big_Dog » Mon Dec 12, 2016 6:10 pm

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exploited wrote:I wouldn't call it a "real threat." Monotheism is dying fairly rapidly in the West.

Maybe and maybe not. We may be coming more secular as a nation but these people are not going away. They seek to impose a tyranny of the minority. I do believe it's is indeed a real threat. It won't happen overnight but if allowed, it will be a creeping theocracy. Just look at these "religious freedom " laws that have been passed as a backlash to same sex marriage, that give people the right to discriminate - in violation of ant-discrimination laws- if they hold, or claim to hold, "deeply felt" religious beliefs. :( :( :(


To be fair, I've been reading almost the exact same prediction for years and years. I cannot say that I notice any meaningful difference other than a certain few big steps in the right direction (for instance, gay marriage being legal in every US state).

At the end of the day, I just don't view these people as a real threat. It could be because I am not a woman or a homosexual, and that I am simply not aware of the problems, but I strongly suspect a more accurate description of what is going on is "totally normal and to-be-expected reactionary measures in the face of an incomplete yet overwhelming and inevitable defeat." The social conservatives have lost, and utterly failed to convince the overwhelming majority of the younger generations to go along with their agenda. Give it ten or twenty years.

Perhaps you're right. I hope that you're right. But with the Trump presidency, these people have been emboldened to an extent not seen for a long time. Even if the Orange Ogre himself has no real core values, he is surrounding himself with people who are the real deal- who are ideological zealots and can do great harm. And then there is the Supreme Court. Two of his appointees can be devastating.
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Re: Christian Dominionism-The Real Threat to a Secular Repub

Postby Vinnie_Big_Dog » Mon Dec 12, 2016 7:19 pm

exploited wrote:
Vinnie_Big_Dog wrote:
exploited wrote:I wouldn't call it a "real threat." Monotheism is dying fairly rapidly in the West.

Maybe and maybe not. We may be coming more secular as a nation but these people are not going away. They seek to impose a tyranny of the minority. I do believe it's is indeed a real threat. It won't happen overnight but if allowed, it will be a creeping theocracy. Just look at these "religious freedom " laws that have been passed as a backlash to same sex marriage, that give people the right to discriminate - in violation of ant-discrimination laws- if they hold, or claim to hold, "deeply felt" religious beliefs. :( :( :(


To be fair, I've been reading almost the exact same prediction for years and years. I cannot say that I notice any meaningful difference other than a certain few big steps in the right direction (for instance, gay marriage being legal in every US state).

At the end of the day, I just don't view these people as a real threat. It could be because I am not a woman or a homosexual, and that I am simply not aware of the problems, but I strongly suspect a more accurate description of what is going on is "totally normal and to-be-expected reactionary measures in the face of an incomplete yet overwhelming and inevitable defeat." The social conservatives have lost, and utterly failed to convince the overwhelming majority of the younger generations to go along with their agenda. Give it ten or twenty years.

You might want to take a peek at this thread:

Donald Trump Is Proving How Mortally Dangerous He Is To LGBT Equality

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michelang ... 96552.html

Contrary to those in the media and elsewhere who claimed he was “far more accepting” on LGBT issues than other GOP candidates, Donald Trump is proving that he very much will be a force against LGBT equality if elected president. And he’s doing it in a more insidious, under-the-radar way than any previous GOP presidential nominee.
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Re: Christian Dominionism-The Real Threat to a Secular Repub

Postby exploited » Tue Dec 13, 2016 7:41 am

Donald Trump was elected primarily by white Boomers. He was rejected by almost everyone under 35 years old, of any race or gender. This is the generational gap I am talking about, and why I am not concerned about a theocracy in America - who will enforce it?

The social conservatives lost. It'll be another decade of temper tantrums, but the war is over.

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Re: Christian Dominionism-The Real Threat to a Secular Repub

Postby spacemonkey » Tue Dec 13, 2016 12:10 pm

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spacemonkey wrote:Today,who has the fifth century mentality of killing those not in their club, Christians, Islam?


:wall: :wall: :wall: If you read through my post with comprehension, you would know that it's not about who has a propensity to kill out of religious beliefs.. Nor is it about which religion is superior to the others. I am not taking a stand on that either. Your mission, if you chose to accept it, is to re-read the post and react to the actual content.

I Did, It seems the issue is, does religion fit into a plan at a particular time, and other times not. One example, Manifest Destiny.

It is never OK for religious beliefs to trump the Constitution and secular law. NEVER. The fact that it has happened does not change that .

You're still not dealing with the issue. WHO is presently attempting to undermine our secular government?? That's OK, I've posted this in other forums as well and pretty much the same thing.

We are endowed by our creator with certain inalienable rights. So, no creator = no certain inalienable rights. Right? Like I said. we only want religion in the picture when it fits into the agenda.
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Re: Christian Dominionism-The Real Threat to a Secular Repub

Postby spacemonkey » Tue Dec 13, 2016 12:15 pm

IndependentProfessor wrote:So, your basic point is that religious Conservatives are going to try to legislate morality (a version of morality that agrees with their religious beliefs)?

I agree that they will do just that. Can't stand it, either.

Yeah, don't kill. don't steal, don't, lie. pretty pathetic standards ain't they. LOL =))
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Re: Christian Dominionism-The Real Threat to a Secular Repub

Postby spacemonkey » Tue Dec 13, 2016 12:18 pm

Vinnie_Big_Dog wrote:
exploited wrote:
Vinnie_Big_Dog wrote:
exploited wrote:I wouldn't call it a "real threat." Monotheism is dying fairly rapidly in the West.

Maybe and maybe not. We may be coming more secular as a nation but these people are not going away. They seek to impose a tyranny of the minority. I do believe it's is indeed a real threat. It won't happen overnight but if allowed, it will be a creeping theocracy. Just look at these "religious freedom " laws that have been passed as a backlash to same sex marriage, that give people the right to discriminate - in violation of ant-discrimination laws- if they hold, or claim to hold, "deeply felt" religious beliefs. :( :( :(


To be fair, I've been reading almost the exact same prediction for years and years. I cannot say that I notice any meaningful difference other than a certain few big steps in the right direction (for instance, gay marriage being legal in every US state).

At the end of the day, I just don't view these people as a real threat. It could be because I am not a woman or a homosexual, and that I am simply not aware of the problems, but I strongly suspect a more accurate description of what is going on is "totally normal and to-be-expected reactionary measures in the face of an incomplete yet overwhelming and inevitable defeat." The social conservatives have lost, and utterly failed to convince the overwhelming majority of the younger generations to go along with their agenda. Give it ten or twenty years.

You might want to take a peek at this thread:

Donald Trump Is Proving How Mortally Dangerous He Is To LGBT Equality

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michelang ... 96552.html

Contrary to those in the media and elsewhere who claimed he was “far more accepting” on LGBT issues than other GOP candidates, Donald Trump is proving that he very much will be a force against LGBT equality if elected president. And he’s doing it in a more insidious, under-the-radar way than any previous GOP presidential nominee.

Is he going to start executing gay's, seriously, do you believe that?
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Re: Christian Dominionism-The Real Threat to a Secular Repub

Postby IndependentProfessor » Tue Dec 13, 2016 12:28 pm

Vinnie_Big_Dog wrote:
IndependentProfessor wrote:So, your basic point is that religious Conservatives are going to try to legislate morality (a version of morality that agrees with their religious beliefs)?

I agree that they will do just that. Can't stand it, either.

If I'm not mistaken, they have been doing it with varying degrees of success for as long as we have been a nation. This however is different. These people want to take over our secular institutions, and not just the government.


We are far less "religious" today than almost ever before. And, I'm not talking about compared to early-1800's Puritans, either. Remember that it was barely 60 years ago that we added "under God" to the Pledge of Allegiance. And about 50 years ago that we were worried that a Catholic President (JFK) would be under control of the Pope.

Nowadays, a person's religion barely even comes into debates.

If you talk about morals inspired by religion, then we have far fewer of those than ever, either. I mean, porn is legal. Abortion is legal. Drinking is legal. Pot is becoming legal.
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Re: Christian Dominionism-The Real Threat to a Secular Repub

Postby IndependentProfessor » Tue Dec 13, 2016 12:30 pm

spacemonkey wrote:
IndependentProfessor wrote:So, your basic point is that religious Conservatives are going to try to legislate morality (a version of morality that agrees with their religious beliefs)?

I agree that they will do just that. Can't stand it, either.

Yeah, don't kill. don't steal, don't, lie. pretty pathetic standards ain't they. LOL =))


Well, kinda. I mean, it sets a pretty low bar, doesn't it? But, I guess "aim for the curb and everything else is gravy" should be the Church's motto. Well, that and "give us 10% of everything, including your kids, and we promise you'll get into heaven".
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Re: Christian Dominionism-The Real Threat to a Secular Repub

Postby spacemonkey » Tue Dec 13, 2016 12:36 pm

IndependentProfessor wrote:
spacemonkey wrote:
IndependentProfessor wrote:So, your basic point is that religious Conservatives are going to try to legislate morality (a version of morality that agrees with their religious beliefs)?

I agree that they will do just that. Can't stand it, either.

Yeah, don't kill. don't steal, don't, lie. pretty pathetic standards ain't they. LOL =))


Well, kinda. I mean, it sets a pretty low bar, doesn't it? But, I guess "aim for the curb and everything else is gravy" should be the Church's motto. Well, that and "give us 10% of everything, including your kids, and we promise you'll get into heaven".

I doubt it works that way, but many thinks it does. Like the huge tv mega churches. PT Barnum said it best. "There is a sucker born every day".
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Re: Christian Dominionism-The Real Threat to a Secular Repub

Postby Vinnie_Big_Dog » Tue Dec 13, 2016 3:33 pm

spacemonkey wrote:
IndependentProfessor wrote:So, your basic point is that religious Conservatives are going to try to legislate morality (a version of morality that agrees with their religious beliefs)?

I agree that they will do just that. Can't stand it, either.

Yeah, don't kill. don't steal, don't, lie. pretty pathetic standards ain't they. LOL =))

Don't have sex with or marry the person of your choice. Don't expect to be served in a place of public accommodation if someone decides that they disapprove of you for some reason based on their own personal morality, and don't expect to keep your job or find a place to live for the same reason.
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