Should someone be allowed to have an armed drone?

Re: Should someone be allowed to have an armed drone?

Postby eynon81 » Thu Jan 23, 2014 1:26 pm

Bauce wrote:
exploited wrote:Drones don't kill people. People kill people.

And poisonous snakes! Or wait actually I think they're venomous.


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Re: Should someone be allowed to have an armed drone?

Postby Homer » Thu Jan 23, 2014 1:35 pm

exploited wrote:
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exploited wrote:Yes. It should be allowed. The Second Amendment clearly protects an Americans right to bear arms.


Right......
Wanna come with me to pick up my nuclear weapon guaranteed by the second amendment?


I support the right of Americans to arm themselves with small nuclear weapons... However I draw the line at hydrogen bombs.


How dare you try to infringe my rights. You can take my hydrogen bomb from my cold dead hands. Damn peacenik libtard hippy.
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Re: Should someone be allowed to have an armed drone?

Postby eynon81 » Thu Jan 23, 2014 1:39 pm

Homer wrote:
exploited wrote:
barbarap wrote:
exploited wrote:Yes. It should be allowed. The Second Amendment clearly protects an Americans right to bear arms.


Right......
Wanna come with me to pick up my nuclear weapon guaranteed by the second amendment?


I support the right of Americans to arm themselves with small nuclear weapons... However I draw the line at hydrogen bombs.


How dare you try to infringe my rights. You can take my hydrogen bomb from my cold dead hands. Damn peacenik libtard hippy.


I'm just imagining how one could "bare" a nuke...probably look something like this:
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Re: Should someone be allowed to have an armed drone?

Postby Professor » Thu Jan 23, 2014 1:44 pm

The Dharma Bum wrote:
Professor wrote:Well, as far as the legality goes, it'll be legal, until it's made illegal. Meaning, I think that it's legal under most laws, but would probably be specifically singled out and made illegal if it becomes a large-scale problem.

But, there is an argument for them being illegal already. Even in states that have generous "home defense" laws (where you can shoot anyone on your property, even if they aren't necessarily posing an immediate threat to your life), a homeowner may not install autonomous, lethal defense devices. For instance, you can't have a shotgun rigged to shoot whoever walks through the door.

A drone may not be "autonomous", but it's close. I could easily argue that a drone would not give you enough information to determine a threat level, and would therefore be autonomous in that sense. It's acting on your direction, but you don't have enough information to determine if a certain level of force is needed.

However, I think that holds true mostly for lethal force drones. If you had a drone that merely incapacitated someone (tazer, knockout gas, bean bag shooter, etc.), then I think it'd be perfectly legal. After all, it's fine to put up an electric fence (which is autonomous), so long as it doesn't deliver enough of a shock to kill.


Drones are not in anyway autonomous. They are remote control devices. If it has a camera and a microphone it's just as you were there your self because you are perfectly aware of the surroundings. Perhaps even more aware because of a superior vantage point in the air and electronic aids such as infrared vision, night vision etc.


Yeah, that's why I said "may". Or, should have, at least.

A microphone may not pick up enough good audio from a distance, over the drone of its own engines. A camera may not have the resolution needed to discern between a gun and a stick in a hand.

Remember that time in Iraq where Apache's fired on a group of suspected militants, because someone mistook a camera for a gun. In wartime, that kind of thing is regrettable, but it happens (though, there was some fallout from that incident). If that happened to a private citizen, perpetrated by another private citizen, I'd imagine wrongful death charges being brought against the owner/operator of the drone.
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Re: Should someone be allowed to have an armed drone?

Postby The Dharma Bum » Thu Jan 23, 2014 4:13 pm

being sued for wrongful death and an object being illegal are not even slightly related
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Re: Should someone be allowed to have an armed drone?

Postby The Dharma Bum » Thu Jan 23, 2014 4:15 pm

It's "bear" arms. Bare arms are what happens when you cut the sleeves off of your shirt.
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Re: Should someone be allowed to have an armed drone?

Postby Dylan » Thu Jan 23, 2014 6:13 pm

The Dharma Bum wrote:Unfortunately (or fortunately depending on perspective) combining two technologies into an object you don't like doesn't make it illegal.

it sure can.
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Re: Should someone be allowed to have an armed drone?

Postby The Dharma Bum » Thu Jan 23, 2014 7:07 pm

Dylan wrote:
The Dharma Bum wrote:Unfortunately (or fortunately depending on perspective) combining two technologies into an object you don't like doesn't make it illegal.

it sure can.


I think you overestimate the importance of your personal desires. Whether you as an individual like something or not is entirely irrelevant as far as it's the legality is concerned. This is separate from the rather involve social process of introducing the idea for a new law, gaining support for your idea, going to through the procedure to enact it etc. You're jumping the gun, basically.

At best you can make arguments about why you think it should be illegal or not on the basis of existing law which do not address the situation as far as I know.
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Re: Should someone be allowed to have an armed drone?

Postby Dylan » Thu Jan 23, 2014 7:26 pm

I was addressing your theory that the result of combining two legal things can never be illegal. Untrue.
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Re: Should someone be allowed to have an armed drone?

Postby The Dharma Bum » Thu Jan 23, 2014 7:38 pm

My theory was that your personal desires don't amount to much when determining something's legality.

In other words because you fear armed drones doesn't mean they are illegal
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